Because Zionism is responsible for the very crimes it fled Europe from, and also because it is hijacking American politics.
Tell us what Zionism is then.
Pretty obvious, isn’t it? Greater Israel. Jewish state that is pure, cleansed of Arabs who protest the loss of their homeland? I mean, the NFL had the Washington Redksins. If Tel Aviv had an NFL team they’d be, what, the Tel Aviv Towel Heads?
Do people in Israel today who advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide identify as Zionists, and vice versa?
So the Jews who wanted to move into a region because their ancestors lived there were wrong. But the Muslims who want to move into that same region because their ancestors lived there are right.
The Jewish colonialists who wanted to move there and subjugate, expel or kill everyone else. It’s not them wanting to move there that was the problem. Or them being Jews, for that matter.
You do recall how this war started, right? It wasn’t the Israelis who fired missiles into Gaza on October 7, 2023.
My advice to the people in Gaza? If you don’t want to fight a war with Israel, you shouldn’t start a war with Israel.
With the ancestors of the present regime in Israel showing up and deciding to reprise the colonization of the Americas there.
No, this war started with a Hamas missile attack against Israeli civilians on October 7, 2023.
Like I said, you don’t want a war - then don’t start a war.
But your answer is telling. You’re saying that Jews are at war with Muslims just be being present in Israel. So, according to your logic, the only way the war can end and there can be peace is if there are no Jews living in Israel.
The term you’re looking for is Judenfrei.
So, does this mean you think it would be ok for Native Americans to lob missiles onto US cities?
And then running in, shooting people and kidnapping some?
You do realize that they did do lower-tech versions of the same sort of thing? That’s a core part of this method of genocide; provoke, steal land, oppress until the colonized lash out in return, then use that to justify further expansion and killing. Hamas exists because it’s exactly what the Israelis want, it’s something they’ve spent decades cultivating to justify their genocide.
First of all, Zionism isn’t “hijacking” American politics - American politics is doing what it wants, as always, and is using Zionism as an excuse.
Second of all, the meaning of Zionism has evolved.
Originally, in the first half of the 20th Century, it’s goal was to establish a Jewish community in what is now Israel and to eventually achieve some form of political independence. While there have always been radicals, “purity” was never really a part of it, nor was controlling the entire (still very small) country.
Nowadays, mainstream Zionism is very similar to what other countries would call patriotism, with the added wrinkle that it believes that more Jews should come to Israel, both for their sakes and the country’s. I’m a Zionist - a proud Zionist - and I don’t want to kill, subjugate or exploit anyone, and I don’t need to control all of the West Bank and Gaza; honestly, they’ve always been more trouble than they’re worth. There are those who do want some of those things, unfortunately, but they do not define Zionism any more than MAGA define American patriotism. I just love my country and its people, warts and all, and I want them to be safe.
What you don’t understand is what’s motivating my country right now isn’t colonialism or racism or some sort of capitalistic bullshit - it’s fear and despair. I was in Manhattan on 9/11 2001 and I saw the towers fall with my own two eyes, and I can tell you with no hyperbole that October 7 2023 was worse by several orders of magnitude. Mull on that, and you’ll realize that there is no price this country won’t pay to make sure something like that won’t happen again.
I don’t see you guys giving any land back to Native Americans. It’s not like there aren’t any of them left, and it’s not like their rights ever expire, right?
I don’t mean reservations or casinos; I mean Georgia. I mean forcibly removing the entire colonist population of the state - white, Black, whatever - and handing it back to the Cherokee. You can’t say that wouldn’t be justice.
Your point? The fact that Israel is modeling its genocide after America’s doesn’t make it any better.
Except we’re not - what you’ve done is much, much worse. The Native Americans were never a real threat to you, at least not after the 17th Century. They never credibly threatened to drive all Europeans into the sea. For you, it was a land grab, pure and simple. It wasn’t survival.
So motes, beams, etc.
And the Palestinians are “no real threat” to Israel, either. They have no chance at all, and will be exterminated. What Israel is doing is colonial genocide and has nothing to do with “survival”.
And once the Palestinians are gone I expect Israel will pick another target to grab more Lebensraum, while making noises about how that genocide is in self defense too.
Until October 7 I might have believed that, but not any more. More importantly, they, the Palestinians, believe that they can destroy us, that they WILL destroy us. “Right of return” and “River to the sea”, right?
That’s what this fight is about. It’s not about Gaza and the West Bank, it’s about Tel Aviv and Haifa. It always has been.
And no offence, but you don’t know shit about shit. You have a chip on your shoulder about colonialism - and rightfully so - and about America, so you keep on trying to stuff your round peg into a our square hole. This isn’t your story, this is ours. Stop trying to appropriate our conflict by defining it in Western terms.
Muslims who were already living in the region until they were forced to move - that would be more accurate. I am sympathetic to the extent that Jews had very legitimate reasons to feel unsafe in Europe in the early/mid 20th Century, but that didn’t give them the right to dislocate the Arabs who had been there for generations.
Nope, it coordinated to silence the academic community’s criticism of Israel, tried and succeeded in getting school officials disciplined for “antisemitism.” That this effort has been coopted by other political forces doesn’t change that fact.
“It”?