Debating dullard bores me. You’re on repeat.
The Israelis do all of the same things the Palestinians did (and more, ethnic cleansing settlemenfs etc.) with less justification since they started the conflict.
Prove it. Show me your data. Prove that the Palestinians called for genocide more often than Israelis.
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Well, here’s one cite that 72% of Palestinians support the “stabbing intifada,” or the knifing of Israel’s Jews.
Meanwhile, only 48% of Israeli Jews want to expel Palestinian Arabs from Israel. Not to kill them, only to expel them.
This is in no way admirable; it’s a shameful statistic and speaks very badly for the narrow, bigoted mind-set of many Israeli conservatives. Shame on them. (Don’t laugh; many American conservatives want to expel Muslims from the U.S.)
But 72% who want to kill is vastly more than 48% who only want to expel.
It isn’t admirable, but it proves you are wrong in your claim that the Israelis is “more genocidal” than the Palestinians are.
Here is a rebuttal to the claim that Israel is actually committing genocide.
So that I can scrutinize this claim, please tell me when exactly did “Zionism” start in your view?
Of course not, given that the charge you lay is false. Funny that you won’t accuse the Palestinian Arabs of the very racism you seem to condemn elsewhere.
Ummm, I’m just asking you to define a term for me. What is “Palestinian land” according to you?
And is this “international law” you cite from the same source as your other claim about international law? i.e., from your own imagination and wishful thinking?
You used the term “Palestinian land.” Please define it. Please tell me the what territories comprise “Palestinian land” and how it came to be “Palestinian land.”
I am asking this question so that I can scrutinize your position.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that’s true. It doesn’t change the fact that Israel pulled its soldiery out and removed all Jews who were residing there. If, as you claim, Israel is attempting to exclusively occupy the whole area, this makes no sense. (Kinda like most of your arguments.)
No you didn’t you evaded my question.
I asked whether your claimed “every right to defend themselves” include the rocket attacks on civilians; the stabbings; and the use of their own people as human shields. You responded by falsely accusing Israel of using human shields. That’s not an answer to my question, it’s simply evasion and distraction.
You promised me an answer. This is the last time I will ask.
When complaining about groups of Jews, or even non-Christians in general, you might want to avoid exclamations like “Jesus Christ”.
By Odin’s hairy eyeball!
Blasphemer! It was not his single eyeball that was hairy.
An interesting decision from someone who earlier complained of wild accusations of people being “anti-semetic”(sic). Not “the Israelis”, “the Zionists”, or even “the Israeli Jews”, it’s “the Jews”.
This is a very odd choice of terms for someone who seems to feel so strongly about racism and a little like saying “blacks and whites lived in peace during the Jim Crow South”.
I guess you could say except for some pogroms like Damascus in 1840 and some of the unpleasantness faced by the Armenians, Christians and Jews weren’t treated too badly, but they were always legally second class citizens and treated worse than Muslims.
What argument? I didn’t make any arguments, I merely asked you a question. I asked you to define what you meant by “Palestinians” because there is no universal agreement on what is and isn’t “a Palestinian”.
Your reference to Greeks, Italians, and Germans makes little sense because those are nationalities that have been around for vastly, vastly longer than people have been classifying themselves as Palestinians and they have their own languages whereas the Palestinians do not have their own language(which doesn’t mean they’re not a legitimate nationality).
It should be noted that in several posts you seem to indicate the Palestinians sense of National consciousness has been around for a centuries but in fact it’s only a few generations old. For that matter, Arabic speakers from the Levant haven’t been identifying themselves as Arabs much longer. It didn’t start until the late 19th Century.
Ok, this is an odd reference here. Are you under the impression that under Ottoman Empire Jews, Christians and Muslims who spoke Arabic were considered Arabs?
That wasn’t the case, and in fact the Ottoman Census you noted specifically didn’t classify them as Arabs because until very recently, a person’s religious identity was vastly more important than their national identity.
Arab National consciousness was largely started by Christians to create unity with Muslims and the Christians who started it had no interest in classifying Arabic speaking Jews as Arabs.
BTW, Palestinian National consciousness is even younger. You’ll note that in 1937, when testifying before the Peel Commission that Amin Al Husseini, who is regarded as the father of Palestinian National Consciousness said that what was “Palestine” should have been joined with Syria because they were “Syrians.”
Perhaps you could have some explanations for your rather curious phrasings and seeming errors?
Thanks in advance.
I would add a couple reasons:
This (double) standard is unreasonable, unfair, and unworkable. Of course, there are Jews on the other side who take the opposite position, that the entire area is Jewish land and all of the Arabs need to go. The difference is that this group does not control the agenda in Israel. Whereas the opposite position is basically a consensus among the Arabs.
As a corollary, Israel is willing to make painful concessions for the sake of peace; the Arabs for the most part are not.
The Palestinian Arabs (and their supporters) hold Israel to a standard of perfection in its conduct. Any deviation, real or invented, seems to get the blame for just about the entire conflict. While at the same time, far worse conduct on the part of the Palestinian Arabs gets excused, minimized, denied, or justified.
Of course the joke of it all is that the Palestinian Arabs tried to achieve their vision back in 1948 and lost. Normally the losing side to an armed conflict does not get to set peace terms. Rather than trying to make the best of the situation, as a group they prefer to wallow in eternal victimhood.
Israel is the servants of God, that one who is enlightened more so than the other Jews.
Jew is the people of God, that means they are not to be lead into slavery, remember Holy Moses and the OT, it points out about idolatry, it’s not for true people of God and if one does support idolatry then you are not a Jew ? = a people of God remember !
A race is called the Hebrews ?
There was a tribe of Israel and then other tribes of the Jews.
The nation called Israel now is not Israel at all, but just a name they pulled out cunningly to claim, the fact is that the educated that live in the State know this is a fact and say so and the fact is that such people who know and can comprehend it are such people who want it to become Israel !!
Fact is Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago and he was the one who Holy Moses spoke of.
Jesus Christ said and did everything that we need to become Israel servants of God and people of God, we don’t need the 2ed coming and anyone who thinks we do is a fool who is lost.
The so called Jews should never treat the other people in the land the way that the radical Zionist do, because it’s not of God but only of Satan’s works = the works of man.
I am a Hebrew and a dedicated Christian in Christ Jesus, that’s the Holy spiritual lordship in Salvations guidance.
I get people who get right in my face claiming that I can’t be a Christian, sorry I am a Hebrew Christian Israel and you know what I have no interest in the land as I don’t need it.
I have the Holy Sprit ! what more do you need, you don’t need the land if you are in our Lords grace.
Nathaniel was full of Grace as was Emanuel Christ Jesus Mother Mary, now they all is what you call Jews are they not ?
Nathaniel was going the work at that there tree of Israel he was working to make it bear fruit and Jesus came and Nathaniel knew who Jesus was directly, you all know why Nathaniel knew don’t ya. he was a true Israel !!! of cause he would know as he was a true Israel.
Well, that was certainly helpful.
This doesn’t even make sense.
Simplistic history. Very simplistic history. The Caliphate fell to the Turks long ago, and those who seek to restore it are a wee fraction of the Arab population.
“Winners.” Oh good grief. Trump? Is that you?
Also, while Palestinian militants can be really stupid, understand that Menachem Begin’s Zionist organization Irgun popularized & appeared to legitimze modern non-state terrorism, which is almost always counter-productive. So, thanks for that.
you mean like every global jihadist group out there, like Al Qaeda (who wanted to do it), Hizb-ut-Tahrir, and many others that existed before ISIS? Even Hamas’ members in the past have talked caliphate.
Palestinian Arab non-state terrorists did stuff to Jews (and against the British too) in the late 1920s, before Irgun ever existed. Also, Israel never exported that kind of thing.
You don’t have to be Trump to know:
Israel=winners who achieve things.
Palestinians=losers who blow themselves up, hijack planes, murder Olympic athletes, cheer 9/11, steal from world charities and the UN, etc.
The American people know it to.
Hoo boy. Please believe me, while I am a supporter of Israel, I want to distance myself from the simplistic jingoism on display here.
(“May God preserve me from people who happen to hold the same views I do.”)
I still remember your Pit thread ;).
Trust me, many of us here in the trenches aren’t crazy about armchair Zionists like him, either.
so anti-Israel types, gonna boycott the iPhone 8? Apple Is Developing Hardware for the 'iPhone 8' in Israel
Yet another example why Israel is a winner country, not a loser one like the Palestinians and pretty much the rest of the region’s nations; they produce innovation, not Islam terror jihad.
If you are going to throw turds without any substance into the thread, go open your own thread in The BBQ Pit, do not clutter up Great Debates with your smears.
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Well, we could try putting an end to the butchering infant penile prepuce as flesh tributes to a delusion… You know, as kind of a symbolic gesture to sanity (a minor, peripheral offshoot being the preservation of the sanctity of a child’s body… there’s always a trade-off :rolleyes:), that may lubricate the way towards more constructive dialogue; and perhaps even interlocution rooted in corporeal reality, not so much in the ethereal ether… Who knows.
Of course, we could also invent a ‘time machine’ (ironically, perhaps more likely an outcome than eradicating cancerous ideology) and use it to go back to the 19th century ― to before the Rothschild-funded robber barons threw together the Balfour Declaration ― and stop the brazen theft of the disputed “holy” wasteland in question from its extant inhabitants―all in order to gift it to another brain-rot-deluded / “chosen” people… This could also work.
However, my shiny shekel is being put on continued prevarication, vacillation and Zionist lobby **$**uppli¢ation; at least for the rest of the lives of anyone frequenting this discussion forum.
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I propose we put iLemming in charge of the negotiations. The translators will be so confused, they’ll have to just figure it out amongst themselves.
