Um… no. In the case Illuminatiprimus refers too, the defendant accepted the “Rape by Deception” charge as a Plea Bargain. See the previous thread on this subject, post #360 (and subsequent)
Apparently (and this will never come out, because it never actually went to a real trial) the woman claims she was forcibly raped, and the prosecution and the defense both thought that the case was iffy, and therefore this plea-bargain was struck which
Let the defendant off with a *relatively *minor crime and sentence and
Let the victim avoid having to go to trial only to face the prospect of possibly being torn apart by counsel for Defense.
So let’s let go of this particular canard, OK?
To the OP – it’s what red-neck bigots the world over do… :rolleyes: It’s stupid, bigoted, xenophobic, wrong-headed and any number of other epitaphs to boot … But it has nothing to do with anything particular to Israeli society, IMO. It’s just people being, well, *people *
As others have said, it’s no different from men 'round the world trying to control their women. They claim they are doing it peacefully, and the Arab citizens claim they are not. I find it telling that no one, not even the media, has attempted to hunt down one of these girls and find out how THEY feel about this incident.
The “protection of jewish women” my ass. Why don’t you work on raising your women - and I definitely don’t mean just Jews; the Jews actually seem to be doing a pretty good job of this, comparatively - so they can protect themselves? But that would mean they wouldn’t be totally dependent on you.
Sometimes people behave evilly. And their culture supports them. Shouldn’t we denounce such behaviour and such culture? Or would you rather support it?
I’ve been on the receiving end of such racial criticism before. It’s not very pleasant. It happens at the most unexpected times, like when we’re just going out for a quiet bite to eat. Frankly, it’s kind of barbaric.
Very well, I stand corrected. My apologies if I’ve misrepresented the situation but I’ve got most of my information about that trial through western press.
Regarding the OPed, I agree with whoever said it that it’s actually this kind of on the ground intermingling between people that’s probably going to end up solving the long term conflict. It’ll reach a point where us and them stop having any meaning, everyone will have bred into the same “us” and even establishing who the “them” is anymore will be pointless.
I like the quote about “Israeli girls disappearing into West Bank villages and nobody hears from them again”. Perhaps that’s because once they shook the dust of your neighborhood off of their sandals they preferred not to ever interact with it again?
In terms of gender, the typical West Bank village will be worse on the women than most Israelie villages except for some orthodox areas. I wonder why these Arab guys aren’t dating women from their own communities. Is it perhaps because their behavior, attitudes, habits, etc. are considered unacceptable by the woman who have known them longer?
As in kidnapping? Or, they decide to marry the Arabs?
I watched some show in the past three years where some Palestinian guy (presumably Muslim, but could have been a Christian too) living in the US. He went back to marry a woman and took her back to the States with him. I noticed that she wasn’t allowed to interact with her family anymore. When she did, he was pretty upset. Is this some Palestinian (or even Arab) cultural behavior? In other words, the Israeli girls who go to the West Bank are more or less forbidden to talk to their blood relatives after they’re presumably married; hence, the disappearance.
Some patrilocal cultures (where the wife marries and moves in with the husband) have the feature that the women is now considered part of her husband’s extended family and no longer a part of her old, birth family at all - meaning she is supposed to devote all her time and attention to her husband’s family and none to her birth family. It’s not universal, of course, and I don’t even know if it’s a common feature of Palestinian culture, but if so, it’s not limited to just them.
There may or may not be issues of jealousy, fear the woman will abandon her husband and go back home, and probably other things as well.
However, generalizing from one specific family to an entire culture is a bit of a stretch.
I will also add that it’s a long-standing Jewish custom to ostracize anyone who marries someone non-Jewish - so it could be that the Jews back home are contributing to the lack of communication from the girls who run off and marry Arabs in the neighboring village. Hey, when my dad married my mom his family held a funeral for him, there are still parts of that family that absolutely refuse to have anything to do with us because of those customs so you can’t even limit it to the Middle East.
My personal take is that both sides are no doubt contributing to this, and both have suspect motives.
