It Begins: Clarke goes public with allegations of terror mishandling

As rjung referenced above, you guys really need to pay more attention to current affairs. Clarke DID come forward two years ago. Time magazine. August 2, 2002. Mucho grande big news at the time.

Heck, check out this thread from just before the weekend.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=245375&page=1&pp=50

None of this is even vaugely new. It was just ignored before.

But why is he selling a book just now?!?!?

He may have told everyone the important stuff before, but why wait until now for a book?!?!?

I mean, now he is going to actually make money on a book about US policy by selling it right before an election rather than making a fraction of the money selling it at another time! That proves that his stories can’t possibly be true!!!111

I mean, he should have had the book out right after he left his job in public service. Two years! Jesus, anyone that takes more than a few months to write a book, find a publisher, agree to a contract, and then make the publisher release the book well away from election time, must be a lying weasel. There is no reason to give this book any merit.

And anyone trying to sell a book full of truths must be an idiot, so at the least he is an idiot or a liar.

Here’s a bit more documentary evidence about administration rebuttal claims that the administration put a higher priority on fighting terrorism than the Clinton adminstration, or that they tried to raise terror-fighting funds.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=39039

In fact, they apparently cut funds even AFTER 9/11 on the FBI.

This was an amusing sequence:

::rolleyes::

First off, let me emphasize: the “timing” of the books release makes no difference whatever. Mr. Clark’s motivation is irrelevent, whether he is a self-serving scoundrel seeking only to boost his books sales, or a bitter patriot trying to wake up his fellow citizens, the only thing that matters is: is he tellling the truth?

In an effort to undermine Mr. Clark’s credibility, some are suggesting he was bitter about being demoted from a Cabinet level position to a staff level. But that in itself is rather telling, isn’t it? Raising to Cabinet level is a time honored way to signify, if nothing else, the gravity with which the WH (of whatever stripe) regards the issue at hand. Conversely, removing that issue from Cabinet level importance must necessarily indicate that the issue is not considered to be as important. Is there another interpretation?

The trouble for the Bushiviks is not so much the scandal, the acolytes of the Shining One will not be swayed, an excuse will be found. Perhaps attaching the French honorific Mssr. will suffice, as in Mssr. Kerry (very droll, by the way, guys, your wit never ceases to…well, it never ceases…)

The trouble is that even the dullest member of the committee investigating 9/11 has his research all done for him. He need only cite a specific instance in the book and ask, simply, “Is this true?”. Dates of meetings, for instance, are documented. If, as it is averred, Mr. Clark did not get a face to face meeting with GeeDubya despite strenuous effort, that is a matter of public record.

Anyone know? Is GeeDubya already scheduled for his “visit” with the Committee? Would anyone be astounded if that cordial little chat might need be postponed due to some crucial matter of national security?

I dunno, Apos. Clarke sounded pretty convincing on 60 Minutes last night. He made the point that Osama’s whole shtick was predicting that the U.S. was going to invade and occupy an oil-rich country. He is of the opinion that by invading Iraq, since they had nothing to do with 9/11, we played right into Osama’s hands. I’m sure Afghanistan didn’t help, but I don’t think that was the same animal at all. Clarke’s credentials are pretty impressive; if anyone understands the dynamics of terrorism, it would be him.

In addition to the source 60 minutes says they have corraberating Clarke’s account about the rush to attack Iraq after 9/11, there is this:

Whatever else you say about Clarke, it’s hard to argue that he wasn’t early and outspoken about the threat of terrorism and its state sponsors.

Not sure, but apparently Ms. Condolezza Rice isn’t willing to face the 9/11 panel after all.

Speaking of Ms. Rice, several folks have noted that she’s contradicted herself in the editorial slam she wrote today against Richard Clarke:

And in a related vein, the Milwaukee Channel has brief excerpts from the book with Clarke’s description of various Administration members:

Mr. Cheney, it appears, is on the counter-attack, bravely facing hardball questioning by the paragon of non-partisan reportage, Mr. Rush Limbaugh. Comments here excerpted from Mr. Josh Marshalls website Talking Points Memo, without which no citizen can hope to be informed.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

To paraphrase, Mr. Cheney attempts to portray Mr. Clarke as not being “in the loop”, since he was shunted off from the “real” counter-terrorism effort over into clucking about the internet’s vulnerability to Islamic hackers. Trouble is, Mr. Clarke was not so displaced until after 9/11. Ooopsy!

And Ms. Rice invokes “executive privilege”? The ghost of Nixon chuckles in the background.

What did the President know? When did he know it? Or does he even know it now?

The 60 minute interview is available here: Link

An excerpt:
Does Clarke think that Iraq, the Middle East and the world is better off with Saddam Hussein out of power?

“I think the world would be better off if a number of leaders around the world were out of power. The question is what price should the United States pay,” says Clarke. “The price we paid was very, very high, and we’re still paying that price for doing it.”

“Osama bin Laden had been saying for years, 'America wants to invade an Arab country and occupy it, an oil-rich Arab country. He had been saying this. This is part of his propaganda,” adds Clarke.

“So what did we do after 9/11? We invade an oil-rich and occupy an oil-rich Arab country which was doing nothing to threaten us. In other words, we stepped right into bin Laden’s propaganda. And the result of that is that al Qaeda and organizations like it, offshoots of it, second-generation al Qaeda have been greatly strengthened.”

When Clarke worked for Mr. Clinton, he was known as the terrorism czar. When Mr. Bush came into office, though remaining at the White House, Clarke was stripped of his Cabinet-level rank.

Stahl said to Clarke, “They demoted you. Aren’t you open to charges that this is all sour grapes, because they demoted you and reduced your leverage, your power in the White House?”

Clarke’s answer: “Frankly, if I had been so upset that the National Coordinator for Counter-terrorism had been downgraded from a Cabinet level position to a staff level position, if that had bothered me enough, I would have quit. I didn’t quit.”

Until two years later, after 30 years in government service.

A senior White House official told 60 Minutes he thinks the Clarke book is an audition for a job in the Kerry campaign.

“I’m an independent. I’m not working for the Kerry campaign,” says Clarke. “I have worked for Ronald Reagan. I have worked for George Bush the first, I have worked for George Bush the second. I’m not participating in this campaign, but I am putting facts out that I think people ought to know.”

As to the question raised about why release the book now, it’s a simple marketing decision. You are going to make the most sales when the issue you are writing about is in the news. There might not be any news and therefore might be a lot less sales if he waited to say after the election to release the book.

Does CBS (via Viacom) have a vested interest in how well this book sells? Is it of concern? Should they have disclosed that in their 60 Minutes segment? Did the segment basically serve as an infomercial? If so, in today’s corporate conglomerate configurations how should journalist avoid the question of impropiety?

Who gives a rat’s ass? Some guy on Crossfire tried the same sort of approach, saying that it showed that Clarke was “disloyal” to GeeDubya. It was nothing more than an attempt to change the focus of discussion.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: it makes absolutely no difference to me what Mr. Clarke’s motives are. I don’t care if he’s trying to make money. I don’t care if he thinks it will get him laid. I don’t care if he did it because GeeDubya nicknamed him “Poopy-pants”. One question, and one question only: Is it true?

I think it’s hard to find fault with Clarke about the timing of his book’s release. The guy wrote a book and had it published in a timeframe that makes sense, giving when he left his government job. Besides, if he really want to time the book’s release to influence the election, it would’ve been published in October.

I’m wondering, however, how much blame Clarke takes on himself for not preventing Al Qaeda from becoming what it was in Sept 2001. He’s the guy who was in the anti-terrorism job the longest of any senior government official. But I don’t really find this effort to try blame someone (either Clinton or Bush) for the attacks on 9/11 to be constructive. And I don’t think many Americans, except for the most partisan Dems, will buy into the idea that Bush is to blame for the attacks either. Let Clarke testify before the various committees investigating this issue, and let’s make some sturctural changes as needed.

If the information in the book is similar to what’s already been published (Time magazine, Al Fanken, etc.), the biggest thing you can blame on Clarke would be that he didn’t push the al Qaeda terrorism threat hard enough against the Iraq-obsessed Bush Administration.

Why not? Bush is running for re-election on his strengths in fighting terrorism; if Clarke’s allegations are true – that Bush was asleep at the wheel from 1/20/01 to 9/10/01 – that’s a damn convincing argument not to keep him in the White House for four more years.

Depends on what you mean by “to blame.” I don’t think anyone truly believes Bush was responsible for planning or ignoring the planned attacks of 9/11, but I think you can convince a fair number of folks that Bush was de-emphasizing terrorism in general when he first took office.

So what’s he been doing the rest of the time? Think about it, if someone had handed you hard evidence in January 2001 of what was going to happen on 9/11, would you go to the media, let them scream about it for a little while, and then when something shifted it off the front page (with the Bush Administration doing nothing to prevent 9/11 from happening) simply bide your time until 9/11 or the '04 election? I seriously doubt it.

If I were a government official and I knew that the current administration was ignoring an issue as important as the threat of a 9/11 attack, I’d be unstoppable in my efforts to raise public awareness, I’d even violate the law and turn over classified documents proving my point to the media . We’re dealing with people’s lives, here, and while there’s some excuse for keeping mum prior to 9/11, after 9/11, there’s no excuse for not using whatever means necessary to bitchslap either the American public or the current administration into taking the matter seriously.

I thought I’d go ahead and print the entire Center for American Progress press release for everyone’s benefit:

(mods - please note that this is a press release, which means they want it to be reprinted elsewhere)

Links to original sources are available at the link above.

Heh. That’s the almost-amusing-in-its-surreality aspect of all of this. I’m not aware that Clarke is alleging that the Bush administration or its predecessors or anyone else had specific information about the 9-11 attacks, but that Bush and his administration failed to take the generalized warnings about al Qaeda sufficiently seriously.

Let’s suppose, as a thought experiment, that Bush had taken it very seriously – as seriously prior to 9-11 as he did afterward. What kinds of things might he have done? Well, a pre-emtive invasion of Afghanistan seems like a pretty good idea in hindsight. Any of the persons in this thread sound likely to have supported that? We’ve done a preemptive invasion since then – do a quick census and you’ll get your answer. Hell, at least one contributor to this thread opposed invading Afghanistan after 9-11! It’s true – you could look it up!

So let’s not go that far. How about air marshalls? Or maybe extending some of the provisions of existing RICO and financial-crime legislation to suspected terrorists? The very same complainers would have screamed about that! In fact, they are now – it’s called the USA PATRIOT Act.

Please.

Monday morning quarterbacking is bad enough when done by people who didn’t yell out their calls for the plays before the game. It’s just pathetic when done by those who called for a punt and are now complaining that the long completion isn’t yet a touchdown.

A timeline, from another Center for American Progress press release:

So, who was ‘soft on terrorism’ again?

Okay, so can anyone point to any quote in the OP that suggests a “Great Debate”?? Everyone is commenting on the content of the OP but where is/what is the debate?

This rather begs the question of whether the Bush administration needed a bitchslapping after 9/11, and if so why.
The white house’s efforts to limit the FBI’s counterterrorism efforts AFTER 9/11

suggests that such a bitchslapping was needed, which leaves wondering as to why it was needed, especially if the administration was as closely focused on terrorism prior to 9/11 as they claim.

Having supposedly redoubled their intelligence efforts after 9/11, we find ourselves occupying Iraq, no connection to bin Laden, no WMD’s in sight, and this is also the fault of bad intelligence? Occam’s razor comes down strongly on the side of Clarke here.