It is NOT that freaking HARD to answer this question.

Yeah I know. Get an LJ. Weak rant. I’ve heard it, and if you pile on here I’ll just ignore you. :smiley:

So.

I want to buy a tent. I had one all picked out – it was big and pretty and had everything I wanted, pretty much, including an acceptable pricetag. It did not have poles (this is a canvas tent for SCA people; the tent poles are not exactly bendy plastic or aluminum and nobody really wants to send 8 foot poles through the mail except people who want to charge you huge amounts of money and ANYWAY I DIGRESS) but I had someone who could help me deal with that. I was set. I was even considering using it Memorial Day weekend.

My finger was hovering over the Buy button when an email went out over the local list: someone was selling THEIR tent. It’s a nice one, a really nice one, with only a year’s worth of wear (which, while SCAdians seem to camp at the drop of a hat, is not much for the quality of tent they get). It’s made by a very very reputable company, it’s attractive, it does not look like ass, and it’s probably big enough to hold me and all my stuff and a freaking queen size bed if I ever get crazy enough to put one in. It was also going for much less than the usual asking price ($400 including all poles, ropes, and stakes versus about $700 at the moment for the same deal on an unused tent).

I asked a lot of questions which were answered promptly. I slept on it until Friday morning when I dropped the email: yes! I am interested! I would like to give you a check. If possible, I’d like to pay half now, half next week, and if you want to hold onto the tent in the interim that’s cool but I kind of wanted to use it for Memorial Day weekend. I asked if this was possible while understanding that if it wasn’t, hey, that’s reasonable.

No answer. No answer Friday. None Saturday. None Sunday.

Monday, the owner IMs me accidentally through my Gmail. We clear up the mistaken identity but I say “Hey, um, incidentally, about that tent?”

Her: “Well, there’s some other people interested in it.”

I think: but I told you I wanted it. I tried to work out payment arrangements but you never answered. Heck, I probably could have put together the whole four hundred bucks, it was just going to be a bit of a hassle.

Me: “Okay. I still want to buy it, though. Can I pay you half up front as a down payment? You can hold onto the tent.”

Her: “Well, I have someone coming down tonight to look at it, but I don’t want to rush you.”

I think: how is this not rushing me? After you kept saying “I’m not in a hurry to sell” all Thursday, I thought… uh… you weren’t in a hurry to sell.

Me: “I can’t come by this evening, I have plans. I’d like to drop a check for half with you tomorrow, but obviously if you sell it tonight I won’t be doing that. Can you let me know?”

Her: “Sure. I’ll update you tomorrow. I should be home from work around 4.”

I think: But I know you’re able to discuss this at work since you’re… at work… and you’re discussing it. And you thought I was a coworker when you originally IM’d me, so I know you communicate through Google Chat on a professional basis. And I know you’re there because I can see the little green ball next to your name. Why can’t you just email me in the morning? At lunch?

Me: “Okay, that works. I just really need to know before I leave work, and that’s at 5 pm.”

Her: “Okay!”

Today comes. No email, no email, no email. Four o’clock rolls around, nothing.

Four-thirty.

Me: “Hey, are you there?”

Her: “I’m here but busy at work, one sec.”

Me: “Ok…”

Time passes.

Me: “I’m just about to leave work myself…”

Time passes. It’s time for me to go home in 5 minutes.

Me: “I need to leave and it’s an hour’s drive home. I need an answer. Is there any way we can meet up or touch base?”

Nothing.

Still nothing.

It’s 20 minutes later and I’m still sitting at work and she’s gone idle.

Look. If you want to sell the tent for more money, tell me, but you aren’t getting it from me. If someone else has offered you more money, fine, take it, but TELL ME. If you don’t want to do the half-down, half in another week deal, fine, but TELL ME. If you can’t contact me from work, fine, even if you have, but contact me from home! It’s a freaking Gmail account and I know you have home email access. If you’ve already sold the tent, fine, but TELL ME. Don’t leave me hanging for days while I GUESS what you want.

I wouldn’t even be still pursuing this if it wasn’t such a good deal – and she knows how good a deal it is, so it’s not like we’re dealing dishonestly. I understand that people are busy, that this is not the most important thing, but it looks like she’s gone home for the day without actually bothering to say “Hey, it’s available” or “Hey, it’s not available” or “Hey, I’ll give you a call in half an hour, what’s your number?” or even “Fuck off and stop talking to me!” I don’t doubt that she’s had other offers, but she could do me the honor of being honest and forthright.

I’m waiting until 5:30 and then I’m emailing her my phone number. I’ll have my phone on me and she can give me a call when-the-heck-ever. But if I don’t have an answer of any kind by lunchtime tomorrow (again, if this wasn’t such a good deal I wouldn’t even bother) I’m calling it a wash.

“Doctor, I keep having this dream, first I’m a wigwam, then I’m a teepee, then I’m a wigwam, then I’m a teepee. Wigwam, teepee, wigwam, teepee…all night. What does it mean?”

“Oh, nothing serious. You’re just two tents.”

Dude, she’s just not that into you.

Alright, there was a pile of warrants right over there, who moved them? Come on! Where are they!

Don’t make me come over there :stuck_out_tongue:

I just got finished talking to her, at last.

Yep, she sold it. She sold it today. She talked to the guy yesterday, he wanted to confer with his wife. Apparently he phoned her immediately after she posted the ad (fascinating, since I emailed her immediately, but ehh) and he finally decided today.

Which is okay. Except I was definite on FRIDAY. I had the money in hand and everything. He contacted her first with a definite maybe, but I damn well contacted her with the definite yes first.

Mreh. She’s letting other folks know who are planning on possibly selling their own, so at least I have other prospects. I just hope these people answer email. :wink:

wow. I bet this is one fan-fucking-tasic tent. Sounds like she isn’t interested in selling to you, for whatever reason. Fuck her, I say.

ETA: Oh, it’s sold. Well never mind. Or maybe fuck her anyway. Can’t hurt.

This could be a description of my last 10 Craigslist purchase attempts. I say attempts because, like your aborted purchase, none of them worked out due to the same weird flakiness on the part of the seller.

I don’t understand why sellers can’t answer ONE simple question.

There are a few pieces of vintage music gear that I’m always on the lookout for, and I missed one recently because the seller couldn’t answer: “Is it the red version or the black version?” I wrote back every day for five days saying that I had cash in hand and would be there within the hour to get it, but I needed to know which version it was. On the sixth day, the guy finally wrote back “Someone else bought it today sorry.” Goddammit!

Hell is other people.

It was red but I’m painting it black. :slight_smile:

It sounds to me like she wanted/needed all of the money at once, or was just not into making payment arrangements. Then someone else became interested and could come up with the full amount, so she preferred to deal with them. But, she felt bad about that for whatever reason and had trouble bringing herself to just coming out and saying that. Perhaps she had been burned by a similar situation before (I know I have) and didn’t want to take another risk.

For me, if I am selling something, I don’t want to make payment arrangements. If you want it, give me the full amount then or I’ll sell to someone who can. Though I would have been up front about it, at least.

I agree, and I also think she went with the seller she felt seemed more serious about purchasing the tent. Assuming the guy who called is the same guy who checked out the tent that night, and assuming he could pay all at once, I can see how he struck her as a more appealing buyer.

Then she needs to grow a spine and SAY SO, instead of leaving the OP hanging. If she feels bad, she could say something like “I have a potential buyer in line ahead of you; if that falls through, I’ll let you know.”

I hate that shit. I quit Freecycle for very similar reasons:

Lack of reading comprehension: Yes, I know I live 40 miles from the metropolis. That’s why I put such information ON ITS OWN LINE at the bottom of every posting I make, above my sig. You’d have to be blind to miss it. So don’t be exchanging five e-mails with me about your schedule and when you can come and get the item, and then when I finally send you the specific directions, saying, “Oh, I didn’t know you live that far away, I can’t afford the gas.” IT WAS IN MY ORIGINAL POST, YOU DUMBASS.

Lack of communication and follow-through: If you arrange to come and pick an item up, COME AND PICK IT UP. If you change your mind, SEND ME A FRIGGING E-MAIL so I don’t wait around for you and so I can offer it to the next person. Just up and not responding anymore is FUCKING RUDE.

Wankers. I tried to be helpful. Now all my good shit goes to the dump or Goodwill. Fuck 'em.

Couldn’t you just have rented a tent? Rented a tent. Rented a tent, a tent, a tent. Rented a tent. Rented a tent. Rented a tent, a tent. Rented a — AAAGGHHH! It’s got me!!!

What’s SCA?

Ye Societie for Creattive Anachronisme.

No, really.

No you didn’t; you had half the money in hand. As a seller, hearing “I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for the tent you sell me today” is a definite turn off.

Save your money and buy a Panther Pavillion , you’ll be glad you did.

It WAS a Panther. :frowning:

That’s why I went through all that hassle. It was a Panther Regent, I think the 12x12, tents and stakes and ropes included, for $400.

Ehh. It’s a good idea for me to get the Panther anyway, really, and just spend the craploads of money. I know some folks who are good with the Midwest Tents; they swear by 'em and they’re cheap. Dang it, I really did want the Panther, though…

And that would have been fine. It was just preference on my part because it would have left me broke until next payday, but if she’d said “I would really rather just do this all in one lump sum” I would have smiled, shrugged, and handed her the $400 in cash.

But she had to actually TELL me. And she said when she told me she’d sold it that it wasn’t the money issue any-old-how, just that he’d asked first.

I have the feeling that they’re already good friends or at least know each other better than I know her. And again, that’s fine. I’d rather sell to a friend, especially something on Such A Deal. But she could have done me the courtesy of letting me know Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday that there was someone else interested and if he gave her a definite yes it was his. I’d be going to the campout event this weekend if so.

(I might still be going. I know some people willing to give tent space in exchange for rides. I might take a day trip but it’s a three hour drive. I might stay in a hotel. Might maybe could blar blar. It’s expensive and I’ve had a rough couple of weeks at work, I could use the rest time.)

I’m weirdly cheap, though. I never like to rent things I can buy, and tent rental (GAH) is actually fairly pricey.

I wonder if I could rent to own… nah, if I save my money well enough for a couple months I can afford a real live Panther all on my own.

Nope. I had the money, but when she informed me she was in no hurry to sell, I eyed my finances and thought “This would be so much easier if I can pay in installments. I don’t even have to HAVE the thing until I’m paid off. But if she says no, I’ll just give her the whole lump sum.” Which would have hurt, but I’d have managed it.

You made a mistake, you interpreted “not in a rush to sell” as an indication that you could fiddle faddle with the transaction without repercussions. Someone else shows up with cash in hand, willing to do the transaction NOW, why would the seller take a risk with you? She doesn’t know you from Adam, and doesn’t know that your checks are going to be good, especially since you appear to be trying to spread out the payments. You also apparently relied on her to say no when she has absolutely no idea whether or not that’s going to turn you from a potential buyer into a non-buyer.

You set yourself up as the backup buyer, the guy to call when the “good” buyer, the one with cash in hand, falls through.

ETA : If you want to be the primary buyer, you tell them, I’ll come by at your earliest convenience with cash and buy it on the spot. Anything less makes you a potential backup, depending on whether or not someone else comes by with this offer.

An organization of celibates. Membership is voluntary, but the abstinence part is more or less imposed.