“It’s a free country”

Kennedy’s lawyer is apparently petitioning to review access to the polio vaccine which has prevented many cases of tragic illness.

Like Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Siri insists he does not want to take vaccines away from anyone who wants them. “You want to get the vaccine — it’s America, a free country.” he told Arizona legislators last year after laying out his concerns about the vaccines for polio and other illnesses.

(Linked from article below.)

Apart from the discordance between having medically untrained people discuss complex medical issues…

Has anyone ever used the phrase “it’s a free country” without doing, saying or commenting on anything shitty or anti-social?

Anyone ever held the door open for you when you were carrying something heavy, smile, and happily chirp “It’s a free country!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/health/aaron-siri-rfk-jr-vaccines.html

Sounds like you’re in the pocket of Big Iron Lung.

Not so big anymore.
Martha Lillard is the only known remaining user of an iron lung.

What gets me is this line:

  • Siri’s petition against the polio vaccine asks the FDA to suspend the jab’s approval for infants and toddlers “until a properly controlled and properly powered double-blind trial of sufficient duration is conducted.”

But the article states:

The polio vaccine, which uses inactivated poliovirus strains, has been in use in the United States since 1955 and is deemed safe and effective. It’s led to the elimination of natural polio transmission in the U.S. since 1979.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/13/rfk-ally-revoke-polio-vaccine

So 70 years isn’t sufficient duration to determine the vaccine’s effectiveness. And the fact that we haven’t had a natural case of polio in the US in 45 years doesn’t matter.

At some point, the morons who are going to be in charge will be guilty of genocide.

Most vaccines are well tested and like polio and small box I believe should be mandatory. In the case of covid vaccine it was not well tested before its release. Healthy people below 65 were not really at much risk of serious illness from covid and should have had a choice. The covid vaccine does not stop the spread or stop the illness, it just lessens the severity of it.

Highly debatable if younger people are (not were - Covid has not gone away) at serious risk. Every single person in the US had a choice to get the vaccine, with the exception of US Armed Forces members.

Still looking for an example of someone using the title phrase in a positive way.

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I’ve heard it used when someone walks by wearing unorthodox clothing and someone else shrugs and says « It’s a free country », as a comment recognizing individuality.

Yeah. Observing that people can exercise free choice - including choices one disagrees with. I’m not sure that qualifies as shitty or anti-social. But I think it pretty much always conveys some element of criticism, disapproval or disagreement. Or possibly just indifference. “Do what you want. I don’t care.”

They are almost certainly the major force behind RJF Jr, right behind the International Brotherhood of Whale Head Butchers and the Union of Roadkill Cooks, Furriers, and Taxidermists.

followed by “…but you look like a fucking idiot,” muttered almost inaudibly under their breath.

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I’ve also seen it used in cases where the person responding didn’t care either way about the question. E.G.

“Can I sit here?”

“It’s a free county.”

Doesn’t that really imply “I’d rather you didn’t, but I don’t have authority to prevent it?”

I think if it really meant that, the person replying would simply move.

Yes, one of several possible unfriendly follow-on actions, like crossing your arms and turning away as far as possible from the intruder.

On top of which, it has eradicated the disease in most other countries, as well, including most of Africa. India is the most recent, where systematic vaccination programs finally isolated it in one area and then treated everyone in that area. The disease has no cure, but this is one hell of a vax.

yes, but while technically true, you were effectively prevented from doing many activities (most notably flying) if you did not that made life very difficult or inconvenient. It was not a true choice.

No, it implies “Of course you can - why the hell are you even asking? Stop bothering me now.”

There’s a limit to freedom when it comes to screwing around with the lives of other people. Most of the people decrying the “forced” nature of vaccine mandates don’t seem to have a problem with our industrialized criminal justice system. Both enforce rules to keep people from effing with others.

Most vaccines aren’t good enough to work perfectly on an individual level. You need close to everybody to be most effective.

But much like air quality and environmental laws, vaccines have almost worked too well. People don’t understand what is like without them.

ISTM that if the FDA withdraws approval for infants and toddlers, it will be illegal to use it on them.

Just to remind you all that the older name for polio was infantile paralysis. The reason was that before the days of modern sanitation, virtually every infant got the disease before six months or so. A small, but non-zero percentage were paralyzed, but older children and adults were always immune from earlier infections. Fortunately, because the likelihood of paralysis seemed to be much higher for them. So it was only in the early XXth century that it got to be something that affected any but infants.

So Siri wants to revoke approval of polio vaccine so young children can’t get it, no matter what their parents want, but insists that anyone could still get it.

It’s a free country, not a stupid one.*

*with the exception of just over half the electorate.