Look, I don’t even know who Tawnee Stone is/was (I opened the thread to find out) but don’t you think that’s more than a little bit disrespectful? For one thing, you impugned his character, and for another thing, one assumes that even the lowly porn star is a human being, almost as good as you or me.
I went for eight years at a job that only paid me what the average 19 year-old makes. Now *that’s *obscene.
No. You called him a pedophile. Who the target was had nothing to do with it.
And if I remember correctly, saying bad stuff about the deceased can get you modded. Apparently you think porn stars are somehow less worthy than normal people.
And an apology means nothing if you can’t help but put an insult at the end of it.
This reminds me. What has Tracie Lords been up to? The last I remember seeing her was on Roseanne.
I shudder to think what her early life was like that her on the road she chose.
:rolleyes: Yes, because frigg’n porn stars barely count as human, their lives have no value, and it doesn’t mater if they die. :rolleyes:
I did not use the “p” word. I implied that IF the girl had in fact been promoting herself for as many years as I mistakingly thought and someone – anyone – was that enthralled with her to start a thread bemoaning that fact, then perhaps there should be some shame involved.
My mistake was imposing a social mores against the idolization of pre-teen sexuality upon someone in a public forum and I truly do apologize.
You are right. That was wrong of me and I do apologize again. Sincerely to Cisco and anyone else I might have offended. Although I contend there are ways to call someone on their mistake without vulgarities and offensive language. That, to me, was ungentlemanly and uncalled and that was where the Mod stepped in, for which I am grateful.
I do not think porn stars are less worthy. I think that someone who has spent her “adult” life promoting the allusion of being a pre-teen who is highly sexualized only perpetuates and encourages pedophiles. And THIS very fact is what saddens me and is the genesis of my angst in having someone like this admired. Young girls are being sexualized by society before they are ready and it is people like Tawnee Shore who helps perpetuate this. To me THAT person is less worthy; as are the producers and people in the industry who continue promoting that style of porn.
I don’t think she ever did that. As far as I can see she was always presented as 18-19-20 years old. I don’t see any suggestion that she ever pretended to be a pre-teen in any of her photos or movies. Also, it seems that the majority of her work was softcore/ nude without any sex.
cite?
Fried Dough Ho, you are perpetuating this argument when I instructed everyone in the thread to drop it. If you want to debate sexualization of teens and porn, please open another thread to do it.
Everyone else: I assumed FDH made a mistake in reading the OP regarding her age, which she admits.
FTR, it is not against policy to “speak ill of the dead” at SD; what you cannot do is insult other posters while doing it. Please remember this.
Ellen Cherry
Cafe Society Moderator
The styrofoam ice bucket’s full of ice.
Nah, getting upset at being called a pedophile is pretty standard.
Snarky Kong, a moderator has instructed everyone to let that subject drop. “Everyone” includes you.
twickster, Cafe Society moderator
You continue to issue apologies with qualifications attached, which gives the appearance of insincerity.
Someone is going to have to 'splain this one to me.
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And you, Mean Mr. Mustard
I’m on it. Results forthcoming in about in a week or when my Visa is maxed out, whichever comes first.
Naw, I don’t think she was into that cheerleader or teddy bear and lollipop crap; at least I never saw or have any. She was (or maybe still is) just an adorable cutie with a bodacious bubble butt and a sincerely invitatory smile.
Here are some strictly factual comments.
There are virtually no underage girls in porn. I don’t say this because I’m naive, I say this because I’m cynical. Underage porn prosecutions are a prosecutor’s dream. Everybody is on their side. Yet, they don’t exist. Probably the last big case was all the way back in the 1980s, with Tracy Lords. Lords was 16 in 1984, yet she was never presented to the public as someone especially young. Even in her Penthouse centerfold, taken pre-porn, she was listed as being 22. Apparently no one in the industry ever thought twice about this. She looked that age. She was not outed until the week after her 18th birthday. Oddly, on that 18th birthday, she made a porn movie for her own production company. When the news hit and all her other movies were pulled from stores and destroyed, this now incredibly valuable film from the most famous porn actress in the world was the only one allowed to be openly sold. Many people raised an eyebrow at this.
Since then, the only national case was that of Joe Francis, the Girls Gone Wild guy. Francis may have his picture in the dictionary next to slimeball, but the concept of filming college girls on spring break, even if they are “college” girls, can’t in any way be equated of filming underage girls. Every prosecutor wants Francis. But the one big case had the judge throwing the charges out of court because there was no evidence for them. Francis eventually pled to time served on charges including child abuse and prostitution. I haven’t found the exact crimes he’s supposed to have committed, but articles say that even his experienced crew were fooled by fake i.d.s good enough to get past them.
From what I’ve Googled, Tawnee Stone was represented in the same way, as one of a group of girls gathered together at “Lightspeed University.” However phony the name, it connotes legal-age sexuality.
None of this is secret. There are many books that cover the Lords case and Francis’ arrests were all over the internet. Is somebody somewhere exploiting young girls? Of course, and they always have. But it’s a fact that every case I’ve read about that’s come to prosecution involves the girls using fake identification to get into the industry. This is surely a comment on something, but it’s not the same thing.
And remember, every case is of an older and already experienced teen. Pre-teen sex is not part of the porn industry. It exists and we can all condemn it. But pre-teen is not teen is not “college” or “university.”
Mods, I’ve tried to make this a factual history that provides some context for why and how Stone was marketed. You are free to delete it if you think it crosses a personal line.
Nope, you’re good, Exapno. Thanks for staying relevant and factual.
twickster, Cafe Society moderator
Did you? I don’t see your instructions to that point.
I can see where you instructed people to stop the personal insults. That is not the same thing. I cannot see where you told people to not discuss her age.
And for what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s right to forbid such discussion anyway.
Discussion of her age, real vs. perceived, is okay.
Discussion of the implications of that real/perceived age and what it says about porn audiences in general is okay.
Discussion of what said real/perceived age says about particular individuals participating in this thread is not okay. Let it drop or take it to the Pit.
Discussion of which poster said what about which other poster and whether or not that was an insult can also be taken to the Pit.
twickster, Cafe Society moderator
Isn’t that what FDH did in post #26? And then she was accused of not following instructions
Fried Dough Ho, your presence is requested in The Pit.