Though with not nearly so much at stake. Had the nascent tiny USA fallen apart in 17-whenever, it may well have ended up in a not too different place today.
Overturning the US government now and ushering in white supremacist fascists for the next however-many years or decades is a rather bigger deal. And not just because there are more Americans now or that you and I happen to be alive now.
Posted this in the other Trump thread’
# Poor handling of virus cost Trump his reelection, campaign autopsy finds
The long and the short of it is that the campaign knew long before the election that loss was a near certainty. Because Trump wouldn’t listen to advice.
Advisers repeatedly encouraged Trump to wear a mask, stop attacking Fauci and signal to the public that he was taking the coronavirus more seriously, particularly after he was hospitalized and given an experimental drug. Trump was largely resistant and mocked the virus down the stretch, sarcastically saying “Covid, covid, covid” at his rallies and falsely predicting the virus would leave the news after the election
When the movie of the trump administration comes out - and you know it will - the scene of that meeting will rival the oft-parodied Hitler-in-the-bunker scene in Downfall for sheer crazy. And it won’t be a parody.
I just might need a draught beer after this discussion.
Beer is good. There has been a drought here… 
Wiki mentions a “khaki green” which is close to the US Army’s olive drab but says it’s a term used in commonwealth countries.
Well, close the windough.
Sure, as soon as I take Fi-[annnoyed grunt] for a walk.
For the life of me, I can’t even figure out where the “r” sound would go.
kaylasdad99 nailed it in his joke.
Tip o’ the hat! 
Reminds me of the time some friends and I were driving through downtown DC on the way to an early dinner. One of my buddies pointed out that the streetwalkers were out early, before our dinner even, and I said, “they’re the whore d’oeuvres.”
I will have to study some history.
It also talks about the pants that are sometimes referred to for fabric type not color. The wonders of language.
I’m no student of the first Adams Administration, but this timeline by U.Va.'s Miller Center certainly makes it sound like what Adams called ‘sedition’ was what we’d call “freedom of the press” and that the real crime was Adams’ (and later Jefferson’s) use of the Sedition Acts to charge and imprison those who opposed him.
So I’d be interested to know what sedition you had in mind that the U.Va. folks left off the timeline.
There was fierce anti-Adams sentiment, especially in southern states. Per at least one writer (Ian W. Toll, author of “Six Frigates,” the early history of the US Navy) Al Hamilton seriously considered removing Adams from office by force. There were some early nullification arguments, and some early secession arguments. It was, I think, worse than anything ever since.
Hamilton was a private lawyer during the Adams administration. How would he have removed a sitting president?
Ohh, maybe he and some friends could have stormed the capitol!
Hilarious.
It puts me in mind of an amusing anecdote I once heard at choir practice from a Catholic priest:
Three Oxford dons were walking along the High street one afternoon, having a spirited discussion about collective nouns, when they happened to pass three young ladies of, umm, negotiable affection.
“Hark!” said the youngest. “A trey of tarts!”
“You are mistaken,” responded the middle of the three. “It is more correctly a fanfare of strumpets.”
“My dear fellows,” offered the oldest. “That was an anthology of English pros.”
Fully agreed, but this was a coup attempt that employed terrorism as its M.O. Some coups are done by cloak & dagger; some are done by army maneuvers. This one, however, used terrorism as its means.
No disagreement, and frankly the groups involved should be placed on the terrorist watch list along with Al Quida, ISIS, et cetera. I’m somewhat leery in giving them too much credence, however, because the last thing I want is for a “War on [Domestic] Terror” to result in further erosion of civil liberties and a justification for increasing government surveillance on the general public absent a specific threat, but there is certainly a need for a coordinated law enforcement effort to develop a better awareness the threat of domestic terrorism, and to make a focused effort to purge it from their own ranks as there are clearly many sympathizers for this nonsense in law enforcement and military circles.
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