Well, addy’s idea about the Dems being nicer seems to be paying off lately. So, the thanks of a grateful nation, and may Cthulhu eat you last!
Do the results of last night alter your conclusions in any way, HurricaneDitka?
That is *not *what you’re being told; you’re just choosing not to listen.
Are you actually suggesting that there is legitimate disagreement possible over whether or not it is important to respect other humans?
Wow, dude.
Selection bias and confirmation bias. These stories are interesting to a certain demographic, and thus make the news more often. There are a whole lot more people specifically looking for this sort of thing to try and discredit any social justice movement. And with everyone and everything being online, more stuff in general is reported, meaning all sorts of stories increase.
And there’s just the fake stories and mistruths, where a story is presented as an “SJW” story but it’s really far more complicated. Or it’s just based on a rumor with no actual foundation in fact. (There’s a reason why so many of us assumed this didn’t actually happen: that is a fairly common result of these sorts of things.)
I can’t give any numbers on it either, but I genuinely think that it is unlikely that there has been any significant increase. Nor do I think the number is at all worrying. Every time it’s actually been real, the result has always been the person being given a harsh lesson.
I just think that this is what one part of the public wants to see, so that’s what their news gives them. The increase in number is not at all correlated with an increase in actual incidents.
It’s like how people think there are more incidents of crime now when the exact opposite is the case. It’s just reported more.
Asking again.
My view on intersectionality is a little more complex than that. It’s about acknowledging that someone can be privileged in some ways and not other ways. My first hard lesson in intersectionality was when I worked in a very wealthy Jewish retirement and nursing facility. We had a number of residents who were Holocaust victims, and who were, at the end of life, receiving a quality of care the likes of which the average American could never dream of. They were also pretty racist and classist.
I think I’m a textbook example of intersectionality.
Privilege: White, upper-middle class, intelligent, highly educated, able-bodied, straight, cisgender, currently in a safe, supportive marriage
Not so much privilege: Woman, grew up poor, survivor of childhood abuse, have been on my own since the age of 17, chronic severe mental illness, multiple other chronic illnesses
Now a lot of people may have the balance tipped heavily in favor of the ‘‘privilege’’ side or the ‘‘not so much,’’ but no matter who you are, there is more to you than solely your race, or solely your gender, or solely your sexual identity. Each of us has power and influence in some spheres that others don’t have. It’s within those spheres of influence that we have a responsibility to address inequality. But I think that part of the conversation - the complexity of identity - is one that many liberals assume to be self-evident so the communication totally fails to anyone who doesn’t have a thorough grounding in the concept. And I have noticed a lot of younger liberals, in particular, seem to be interpreting it the way you have, which is inclined to elicit more defensive responses from white people who came from absolutely shitastic circumstances and find it insulting that after all they have been through, someone is calling them privileged.
Is(/Are) there some specific conclusion you’re asking about?
:dubious: What is the “method to debate and dialogue”, exactly? I’ve seen a lot of descriptions of “the scientific method” as a specific set of procedures, but never before seen a claim that “debate and dialogue” can be formalized in a similar way.
That the DNC’s current efforts and strategy are dooming the party to failure. At least, that’s what I implied from the title of the thread.
Ahh, the thread title was meant to be a bit funny about the exclusion of white males in favor of minorities. I don’t think the Dems are doomed to any sort of perpetual minority status. FWIW, I suspect stories like the one in the OP do not help their prospects.
What’s special about white males as a demographic? Why specific focus on them vs any other demographic? Does every vote count or do white male votes carry more weight/value?
Every vote counts, but there are more white males than, say, black women or illegal immigrants. So if we are going to play identity politics, larger groups are the ones to appeal to.
Regards,
Shodan
There’s almost nobody in the world who isn’t “underprivileged” in some manner if you look at it that way. (Which is leaving aside that any race and gender can be a “privilege” in a given instance, and whether things like “safe, supportive marriage” are accurately characterized as “privilege”.)
But what you end up with is people obsessed with how many ways they’re “underprivileged” and resultingly how they score on the underprivileged scale. (People who realize they have no hope of achieving high rank on the “underprivileged” scale need to suffice with being White Knights on behalf of the underprivileged.)
Lots of white males are like me and like policies that help black women and illegal immigrants. win-win.
The Trump/Bannon wing is testing that hypothesis. We’ll see in the long-term.
Gotta admire how he slipped “illegal immigrants” in there! Talk about subtle!
1/3 of white males voted Dem in this election, according to demographics. The rest was made up by women and minorities. I think it’s meaningful that Dems no longer need the majority of white males to win elections. I think it’s meaningful that GOP still relies so heavily on the white male demographic at the expense of all the rest. Given the trend of whites below 45 voting Dem in the majority, I’m not sure betting on the white male demographic is an effective long term strategy.
Correct. As Freire said, there’s an oppressor and an oppressed within each of us. I work in a domestic violence and sexual assault services agency so of course I would consider it privilege to not fear for your safety in your own home. I encounter people on a regular basis who don’t have that.
This I agree with, some people are in fact like that, and I’m certain they annoy me every bit as much as they annoy you. To whatever extent I am this way, I annoy myself. Social justice in my personal view should emphasize the correction of systemic wrongs that impact demographically disadvantaged populations. For all the complexities of identity, there are some stark inequalities at the demographic levels of race, gender and economics. Some people carry this way too far. The email in question is a good example of missing the forest for the trees. I might go so far as to call it a cultural problem on the left, or if it’s not widespread, it seems to get a lot of lip service in the media.
This is just too cynical. Most SJWs, however obnoxious, are motivated by empathy. They might get carried away with tribalism like with any ideology but the root of this behavior is, as the name suggests, a sense of injustice that should be corrected.
Pubbies have not been about “long term strategies” of late, its all about getting one more solid election so they can ram through an agenda of permanent power. That’s how they got into this mess in the first place, making deals with the culturally retarded knuckle-walkers… just one more election, and its Ozzie and Harriet from coast to coast!
What should we guys do? Confine our attention to lawn maintenance and minor automotive repair. As election day nears, report to the most significant female person in our lives for instructions. Obey. Go fishing, we’re done.
That’s all fine, and if you just look at people as individuals and consider the specific privileges and hardships that they may have had in their lives then no one would disagree with you.
Where the intersectional people part ways with that is 1) in viewing people as “privileged” or otherwise not based on their own experiences in life but based on their membership in “privileged” or “underprivileged” groups, and 2) based on a worldview which is overly focused on who is or isn’t “privileged” as opposed to dealing with privilege and hardship and their ramifications when they become necessary and relevant.