Here is a partial list of what many SDMB accuse Bush for…many on this list I agree and am very angry about…Please add or subtract from this list and name some things that you do like about him, if anything…
He put us to war in Iraq without a good reason
He cares about corporations and screw the public
Responsible for the tremendous price of oil
Speaks only for the benefit of the Carlyle Group
Opens the gates wide open for the illegals to come in
Is against pro choice
Antienvironmental
Shoving religion down our throats whether we like it or not
He talks down to the citizenry of the US not as our equals
Spends hundreds of billions on foreign aid at the expense of aiding our own people
in the US
Taxes the poor and middle class far more than the rich
Instead of doing “good” and following the peoples wishes, he does what he, not us, thinks is important
Had he used government funds to enable the levees to handle a Type 4 or a 5 Hurricane this horrible situation along the Gulf Coast would have been significantly less severe.
Thanks for filling the gaping void of Bush-bashing threads on this board. And so eloquently put! Really, you are national treasure, and yet you grace us with your presence. I feel really nervous even responding to someone of your posting skills, but I’ll risk responding anyway.
11. Taxes the poor and middle class far more than the rich
No, you’re confusing tobacco and alcohol taxes with income tax. The poor don’t pay income tax. They do, however pay sin taxes.
7. Antienvironmental
According to the environmentalists that pretty much call him Satan for proposing new refineries being built and oil drilling. Then they bitch about the price of gasoline and natural gas when a disaster hits.
12. Instead of doing “good” and following the peoples wishes, he does what he, not us, thinks is important
Every President has done this. It goes with the job. Remember SALT? Remember the attempt to nationalise health care? Remember a call for the end of slavery? Remember a certain Washington character that led a nation to war when many were happy to be subjects of the Crown? Show me a President that is loved by all and I’ll ask how much you paid for the movie ticket.
5. Opens the gates wide open for the illegals to come in
That’s a little more complicated. Keep in mind the ACLU and other powerful groups are involved with this. He’s not a dictator. He does, hard as it might be to beleive, have to follow some semblence of law.
Just a few thoughts.
Stock trades are “luxury items”, not necessities, so can we tax them at 50%? What about vacations? They’re not necessities, so let’s tax the shit out of them, too.
Actually, he put us into a war with Iraq for a lot of good reasons. He was wrong about all but one of them (wrong on WMD’s and terrorists, right about Saddam being a bad guy.)
Well said, comrade. After all, if not for those lousy corporations and their lobbiests, the USA would be a happy place full of milk and honey. Instead, Bushco and their corporate overlords waste it all. :rolleyes:
No, market forces are responsable for the tremendous price of oil. Say, China and India. Or perhaps the fact that we’ve finally reached our true capacity for refining (nearly worldwide.) I’d still say it’s China’s fault though.
Who? goes to Google Oh. See 2.
Blame the ACLU and the Democratic party for that.
Don’t you mean he’s “pro life” or “anti abortion?” When come back, bring grammar.
[quote7. Antienvironmental[/quote]
Not anti-environment, more like “we’ve done it this way, so let’s keep doing it this way.” I remember the uproar that was over his stance of arsenic, when he ‘upped’ the allowable level to 50/ppb in water. Clinton had inacted an allowable level of 10/ppb. He signed that legislation three days before Bush took office. Bush put it back to the level it’d been at for forty years. Kyoto protocol? Kiss my ass. For every bit that we give up, China and India get to put up twice as much.
And so did Clinton and Gore (except that Gore didn’t know what he was talking about. Favorite Bible passage is John 16:3?) I’d rather the president be upfront about it, and not a pandering asshole like Gore or Kerry.
So did Clinton. Your point?
Every president since Truman has done this. So?
You can’t be serious. Tell me you aren’t serious. Are you serious? Nevermind the fact that your little IRS book shows where and how much is taken from different percentiles every year? I think it was something like the top 1% payed 20% of the taxes in the US, and the top 20% payed like, 65% of the total income tax? And that highest tax bracket is for people with a taxable income of $115,000 a year?
Well son, what do you think is important? And how are you going to fund it? And who is going to build it or perform that service? And who will benifit from this? Doing “good” is a great way to keep yourself from being re-elected. Doing your job (eg, what is important, and not necessarily good.) will get you re-elected.
No, the situation in New Orleans would be less severe. And do you know how much it would cost to build said levies? And where is the money going to come from? And what about Buloxi, MS? Or Miami, FL? Or Charleston, SC? Or Galveston, TX? Going to outfit each seashore metropolis with these levies? If so, what about the pissant town next door with no sea wall?
Remember how Reagan killed the country with the deficits? Passed by a Democratic Congress? Then we had a surplus? This country has more money than you can comprehend. We’ll have a surplus again. Don’t worry your little head with these issues.
Seriously. We needed another thread blaming the president for the effects of a natural disaster? What the fuck is with people these days? Haven’t blamed him for something in so long that it just got all backed up?
Can you point me toward anything that factually indicates that the ACLU is working to “open the gates wide open for the illegals to come in”? Or even supports the idea of “open[ing] the gates wide open for the illegals to come in”? Here, this is the ACLU’s immigration site. Show me there where the ACLU indicates it stands for what you’re claiming.
I’d be kind of interested in seeing something factual that the Democratic Party supports “open[ing] the gates wide open for the illegals to come in” as well. I’m not finding it in the 2004 Democratic Party Platform about it. Maybe you can enlighten me?
And please, spare me a response along the lines of “the OP said it about Bush.” Whether Bush does or doesn’t believe it has no bearing on your claims about the ACLU and the Democratic Party.
Excuse me, but there are plenty of people who are poor - at least but the standards the First World should, I hope, hold to as far as what poor and not poor means (decent shelter, decent food, hope for their children, and of could, the ability to see a doctor when needed…oh, and I guess, the resources to leave town when a hurricain is coming) - who nonetheless work their asses off and pay tax on their income.
Oh, but I forgot. There are no working poor. The world is divided between the sucessful and the people who smoke and drink all day :rolleyes: .
(and yes I realizes income is not taxed below a certain level, my point being that level does not necessarily corrilate to to what we should reasonably consider poor in this society.)
Well, Otto, I won’t attempt to defend the post. Not my job to do so. But I trust you are aware that the ACLU is generally the first organization to defend the rights of those that have no US rights because they aren’t US citizens. There are many things I’m sure the ACLU does that I can agree with, but most of what I see from them just rubs me the wrong way. It seems more the perception of the group, no neccesarily what they’re doing.
After I decipher the mispellings, I’ll ask you what arbitrary level of income you’ve deemed as “poor”. Who can’t see a doctor? Are you talking about the bill when they see one? If they’re that poor, Medicaid pays it. I know because my checks list the Medicare tax every pay period. There is a difference between not going to a doctor because you’re afraid of the bill, and not seeing a doctor because you’re denied service.
I’ve never known of a person that literally couldn’t see a doctor. There may be some asshats that went into medicine for the check, but every doctor I’ve ever known will see you. Then bill you later. And if you’re that poor, a doctor’s bill is that last thing you need to worry about. I challenge you to cite a doctor that turned away a person needing care because they’re poor.
I also challenge you to show me that gas, tobacco, alcohol, and sales taxes are more fair than the income tax. Oh, never mind. I already did that.