it's official, Sheryl Crow and I live on 2 different planets

[Bob55]

Crow accepted her award for pop-rock female artist wearing a white T-shirt emblazoned with the message “war is not the answer” in black sequins.

“I think war is based in greed and there are huge karmic retributions that will follow. I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies.”

The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies. Seriously, what planet does she come from? There will always be enemies of the United States and other free capitalistic nations due to the lifestyle that we all live, including Sheryl Crow. Most of these enemies see kindness as a sign of weakness, and only respond to force.

These famous people need a swift kick in the ass back down to reality.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030114/ap_wo_en_po/na_a_e_mus_us_american_music_awards_vignettes_1

[plnnr]

She can come and live on my planet any day of the week.

[Mojo]

[sub]I’m going to invoke Godwin right outta the gate…[/sub]

“I think war is never the answer to solving any problems.”

Tell that to the former occupants of Bergen-Belsen.

[Mock_Suds]

Someone should go up to her and hit her in the face as hard as they can. When she gets up and tries to fight back, explain to her that war is never an answer. Then, hit her again. Repeat as long as necessary.

<small>Note: This is satire. Please do not actually hit Crow or anyone else unless they hit you first.</small>

[Meatros]

*Originally posted by Mock Suds *
**Someone should go up to her and hit her in the face as hard as they can. **

I think someone already has. IIRC she’s missing her front two teeth due to being hit in the face with a beer bottle.

(I can’t remember where I heard that, so grain of salt…)

[Menocchio]

She sounds a little dippy, yeah. She may even be wrong.

But I refuse to treat the belief that violence, especially on the scale of warfare, is never justified, as celebrity nonsense. It’s a noble philosophy, it may be the nobles of philosophy. It may not be the right philosophy (although in the case of Iraq, I think it is), but it’s one that deserves to be respected and considered.

Shouldn’t this be in the pit?

[Saen]

Anynone who looks that good in her 40’s is alright by me. And aint her politics just too cute to get mad at??

[smiling_bandit]

I think someone already has. IIRC she’s missing her front two teeth due to being hit in the face with a beer bottle.

Oh, so its brain damage?

[Michael_Ellis]

*Originally posted by Mock Suds *
**Please do not actually hit Crow or anyone else unless they hit you first.</small> **

No, hit Tom Servo. His arms don’t work.

[RickJay]

Is there a GD here?

So Sheryl Crow is not a genius; her idealistic comments at the American Music Awards aren’t really a point of debate, and in fact aren’t really all that objectionable. She’s opposed to violence. That’s a legitimate philosophical position. THAT is worth a good, serious debate, but it’s not a reason to blast her.

[Odesio]

*Originally posted by Menocchio *
**She sounds a little dippy, yeah. She may even be wrong.

But I refuse to treat the belief that violence, especially on the scale of warfare, is never justified, as celebrity nonsense. It’s a noble philosophy, it may be the nobles of philosophy. It may not be the right philosophy (although in the case of Iraq, I think it is), but it’s one that deserves to be respected and considered.
**

Why are beliefs that have no bearing on the real world considered noble?

Marc

[sqweels]

Perhaps someone should beat Jesus up to prove to him that violence is the answer.

[Saen]

*Originally posted by sqweels *
**Perhaps someone should beat Jesus up to prove to him that violence is the answer. **

They did. And mocked, and tortured, and crucified him while they were at it.

[emarkp]

*Originally posted by RickJay *
She’s opposed to violence. That’s a legitimate philosophical position. THAT is worth a good, serious debate, but it’s not a reason to blast her.

Actually, she didn’t say that she’s opposed to violence. She said that war is never the answer. And I don’t believe that’s worth a debate–in fact I don’t consider it a legitimate philosophical position. It was best stated (IMO) by Heinlein in Starship Troopers:

I thought about it during the last session of our class in History and Moral Philosophy. H. & M. P. was different from other courses in that everybody had to take it but nobody had to pass it – and Mr. Dubois never seemed to care whether he got through to us or not. He would just point at you with the stump of his left arm (he never bothered with names) and snap a question. Then the argument would start. But on the last day he seemed to be trying to find out what we had learned. One girl told him bluntly: “My mother says that violence never settles anything.”

“So?” Mr. Dubois looked at her bleakly. “I’m sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that. Why doesn’t your mother tell them so? Or why don’t you?”

They had tangled before – since you couldn’t flunk the course, it wasn’t necessary to keep Mr. Dubois buttered up. She said shrilly, “You’re making fun of me! Everybody knows that Carthage was destroyed!”

“You seemed to be unaware of it,” he said grimly. "Since you do know it, wouldn’t you say that violence had settled their destinies rather thoroughly? However, I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea – a practice I shall always follow.

Anyone who clings to the historically untrue – and thoroughly immoral – doctrine that `violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."

To be fair, the argument he’s attacking is that “violence never settles anything” which is not quite the same as what Crow said. (I won’t even get into Tom Servo. )

[Michael_Ellis]

Then again, wasn’t Jesus supposed to, y’know, die for people’s sins? It’ve been kind of a setback for that plan had he not died.

[Debaser]

*Originally posted by MGibson *
**Why are beliefs that have no bearing on the real world considered noble?

Marc **

Good question.

Is “let them eat cake” a noble sentiment to solve the worlds hunger?

I would argue that it’s more laughable than noble, just like Sheryl’s sentiments at the awards.

[litost]

*Originally posted by Bob55 *
There will always be enemies of the United States and other free capitalistic nations due to the lifestyle that we all live, including Sheryl Crow.

That sounds ridiculous. Bin Laden’s network is probably amongst the first to wage an unjust war against the US for reasons related to “lifestyle”. And even he has relatively more logical reasons such as power, US troops in Saudi Arabia etc.

[Saen]

*Originally posted by Michael Ellis *
**Then again, wasn’t Jesus supposed to, y’know, die for people’s sins? It’ve been kind of a setback for that plan had he not died. **

WHere did I say he was killed for it. But, then again he was. Even then there were easier, and more humane ways to die than that.

[sqweels]

Saen:

They did. And mocked, and tortured, and crucified him while they were at it.

And as a result, his followers concluded he was wrong, eh?

[SC_Wolf]

*Originally posted by emarkp *
It was best stated (IMO) by Heinlein in Starship Troopers

I always got a chuckle out of the fact that they replaced the city of Carthage with that of Hiroshima in the movie version of the same scene. I don’t quite know why.