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Doubt it.
I’m not wrong, I’m just disagreeing with you. When the next batch of terrorists bombs the shit out of Houston and says “This is because you killed tens of thousands of civilians when you invaded Iraq on a bogus search for WMDs,” many, many people will say “Your mess, you clean it up; maybe you should think before you launch your next war.”
Sadly, I’ll be one of them. Are people unaware of cause and effect?
Speaking of cause and effect…
“Iraq ‘could become terror haven’”
Genius.
That’s what we wanted though. See, Iraq is like Flypaper:
The terrorists love it so much. It’s as if we set up a really good grad school for them, with interesting coursework, research to do, and a great stipend. Only a very few will ever want to graduate, and come face us in the ‘real’ world.
Yep but governments won’t. That’s all I meant. If there is a valid target they’d be queuing up to help.
It’s already been shown that the public can come out in their millions and still be ignored. Almost every country involved in this war has a public that were against it.
And many of them are slowing and quietly pulling out.
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The thing that really torques me is that, in the fetid swamp of ignorance and malice in which he wallows, still the real-life Ryan Liam gets to speak with an English accent, and sound all intellectual and well-informed.
Well, most Yanks do speak English better than the Manchester United Hooligans.
There’s a grimly delicious irony in there. I suppose it is possible that some of the nations in the, ah, coalition - are participating entirey from a deep sense of international reponsibility and an abiding and passionate regard for the USA. I suppose.
Another element would be nations in awe of American military and economic power and are mostly motivated towards le suque-up. Imagine the look on their face when they come around to see the friendly, generous American aid representative and he says “Well, gee, guys, that new hydro-electric project on the Bumfuk River sounds like a swell idea, and you are just about our bestest buddies ever…but this war, you know, kinda expensive…”
Hope they got dinner and a show.
Luci - where can i get a copy of your French dictionary? 
Sin
So what you are saying Clinton lied?
Again no traction here.
Desmo’s post showed me that he is open minded and willing to learn and change his view, 'nough said.
OK pretty easy, prove it, Clinton was warning us about WMD from 98, so just provide a cite that you questioned that before then, or else your drive wheals are on a frictionless surface.
OK, I accept this statement, it’s honest.
But stepping back a bit
Clinton chose to take an attack against the US WTC as a police matter, Bush as a millitary matter, there is your difference.
Maybe he did. Is it beyond the range of your puny intellect to comprehend that just because people criticise Bush doesn’t necessarily mean that they support or love Clinton.
Firstly, i think you overestimate the extent to which Desmo agrees with your position.
Second, it seems, as usual, that your definition of open-minded is “someone who agrees with kanicbird, in contradiction to all the evidence.”
God you’re a moron. When will it enter your thick skull that referring to Clinton’s position is not a refutation of arguments against Bush. You are a classic example of the “I know you are, but what am i” school of debate.
Hey, shit-for-brains, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep eliding the attacks on the WTC and the war on Iraq. In case you missed it, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the events of September 11.
And? We supplied Iraq with weapons and know how because we knew they were losing the war, and since it was pretty much in the worlds best interest to see Iran contained, we did what we could.
Well for about 4 months now, we’ve been reasoning, well trying to, telling you the US army isn’t the nazis in disguise, and no matter how bad GWB is, at least he has the balls to try and make up for what he did wrong in Iraq. We’ve also been trying to say that even though the majority of Iraqis want us out, they’re not dumb enough to want us to leave before we’ve trained up there armed forces and democratic institutions and I personally think we owe them big time, we owe them to reconstruct what they’ve lost.
Another factor is that when we present evidence, its usually blown off as inconsequencial or not worth a mention, whilst any evidence to support US blunders and mistakes is represented ad nauseum. So yes, probably the main reasons are these, we can’t get through to most of you, and when we do, you’re usually drowned out by the people who don’t want you too.
No-one answered my remark on the boards about this, I support the Iraqi interim government, and I’ll support the elected government, and the Coalition in Iraq regardless, yet when I declare this, I get lauded and some people try to be pursuade me otherwise.
People like Redfury, seem to want to help carry along the fact the US Army and its administration is useless in everything, I don’t mind people focusing on blunders and dumb things certain organisations have done, but people like this guy seem to make it a hobby of pointing out every mistake, I guess I’m getting tired of the portrayal of the war as being completely one sided. No one ever mentions good things from Iraq, shit, I tried to show a link to Finn Again, but he wouldn’t have any of it. His loss I guess.
For all what we’ve done in Iraq, all the bad stuff, all the death all the lies, at least we gave the Iraqis the chance to decide for themselves what type of government they wanted, what type of government to represent them, at least we’re trying to make amends of our blunder. I think it will be the biggest crime to leave whilst they’re battling people like the insurgents.
and you’re an asshole.
The US won’t let them have an Iraq without permanent US bases there. Which is the one thing they all want.
Hang in there, Ryan. Just because you’re outnumbered, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong.
Unless you are the US democratic party, apparently.
Good point! 