It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program.

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 5:43pm

Uhhh . . . that might be a bridge too far, for many many reasons, but I see and acknowledge your thought process.

He’d almost certainly be there. But . . . yeah, I’ll leave that to the eventual prosecution. I think they get immunity for tracking that stuff down.

Boyo_Jim · February 5, 2012, 5:47pm

I really can’t cope with SA’s bullshit anymore… he is now the one and only person on my Ignore list.

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 5:48pm

That’s all I ever asked for.

Finally.

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 5:54pm

Hey, I think you missed one of my posts (strange, as you have accounted for 10% of all the posts in this abortion of a thread, but things slip through, like the little boy in your made-up fable slipping on the soapy floor).

So I’ll repeat it:

Why did you post this – http://connect.pennlive.com/user/pritio_metrif/index.html ?

And do you still believe those assertions?

Hugs n’ kisses (or on second thought, emphatically not, not with the likes of you) –

Lance

Kolga · February 5, 2012, 5:55pm

Truer words have never been typed. When was the last time various warring factions of the Dope agreed so universally on an issue?

At this point, I have to assume that SA is either a hard-core troll (well done, sir!) or has some form of dementia. I’m going with the dementia, frankly, because the idea that someone finds amusement in trolling about the anal rape of children gives me a sad I hope SA is able to get the medication and/or treatment that he needs for his condition. My understanding is that the treatments available now can slow the progression of the disorder.

Anyone who can make a statement that he’s winning an argument that he’s so very clearly not only losing, but unable to adequately participate in, can’t be arguing in good faith or in a right mind.

**Huerta88 **is certainly bringing a top-notch game to this beatdown. It’s been a thing of beauty to watch.

That’s a third option (besides troll or dementia) and while I want to believe that this isn’t the case, that a grown human being can’t possible make the arguments SA is making and be serious, my experience tells me that it’s all too possible. Pedophiles are extraordinarily good at rationalizing their attractions and their behavior. If McQueary had actually said “I told Joe Paterno that I saw Sandusky raping a child, and I saw Sandusky’s penis entering the child’s anus,” and Paterno had said “yes, McQueary told me he saw Sandusky’s penis entering the child’s anus,” a pedophile would find a way to make that behavior acceptable.

A fourth option is that SA is a victim of childhood sexual molestation himself, and in a desperate attempt to remove the stigma of victim, is attempting to hand-wave away what happened to him by dismissing the reports in the Sandusky case. If that is the case, SA, then I’m truly sorry that happened to you.

Cheshire_Human · February 5, 2012, 7:34pm

This lurker votes “Sounds like the voice of experience when he describes (and tries to handwave* away) child rape. Was he molester or victim?”

*Should that have been “dickwave”?

I think he’s the first in history to achieve the elusive Megachong.

Now, I’m back to lurking, carry on with the PALATR, Huerta…

Enderw24 · February 5, 2012, 7:44pm

Alternative explanation #4,235,731 on what McQueary saw Sandusky doing in the showers that night.

El_Kabong · February 5, 2012, 7:53pm

One more expression of support for the accuracy of the above assessment. I’m pretty sure that I haven’t interected with Huerta88 previously, and I might take issue with some of the ad hominen’s that tend to litter his posts, but on the facts of what has been going on in this thread he’s rock-solid, and SA? Not so much.

Starving_Artist, whatever point you think you may be making here, when nearly every poster who can be bothered to respond expresses the opinion that you are at best a blatant troll, and at worst a child sexual abuser yourself, you are simply not getting across the message you claim to be making. Try and spin it however you want, but you have, probably irrevocably, gone from being merely something of an eccentric laughingstock on this board to someone that no reasonable person would ever want to be associated with.

You might want to ask yourself, “Could I rationally explain to family or friends why I’ve expended so much time and energy in this thread? Could I show them any of the posts I’ve made without embarrassment or shame, or without them thinking less of me?” If not, you might want to contemplate why that might be the case.

elucidator · February 5, 2012, 7:57pm

Did I miss something? Was there some agreement that anal rape, and only anal rape, is worthy of our attention? Anything short of that is some sort of manly horseplay, or, at the worst, “skeevy”? Far as I’m concerned, “skeevy” is like when I made my cousin eat a bug.

For the record, if I had caught you fondling my naked child in the shower, pray God the cops get you first.

“Why, no, officer, no need to restrain me, I am but an aging hippy, what harm could I possibly do with this hacky-sack? I simply want to engage in meaningful dialogue with the recently deceased! Oh, he isn’t? Wanna bet?”

Guinastasia · February 5, 2012, 8:22pm

Nope, apparently in Starving Artist’s world, since rape is far, far worse, fondling “of a sexual nature” is nothing to worry about.

:rolleyes:

(Of course, anyone who’s ever been molested would probably tell him otherwise, but then, he knows best)

Gyrate · February 5, 2012, 8:25pm

I’d been pondering this option too, but barring a Damascene conversion I doubt he’d admit it even if it were true.

I’ve nothing to add to Huerta88’s various shreddings of SA’s rationalizations but I did want to thank him for being the first person in literally years that I’ve seen using the word “enormities” correctly. A pat on the head and a crunchy dog biscuit to you, sir.

Frylock · February 5, 2012, 8:38pm

When I do a thread search for the term “pennlive” this post is the first one that comes up. Can someone point me to the most relevant earlier post(s) on this particular sub-topic?

Frylock · February 5, 2012, 8:41pm

Also, just to satisfy my own nosy curiosity, could someone point me to one or two of SA’s most amazing posts in this thread?

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 8:49pm

Here’s the source material. You be the judge of who wrote it, and just how diseased and evil they/he is.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ask_your_questions_about_the_j/3032/comments-newest-6.html

The link is acting funky so I’ll bulk quote the original material (apologies for the hugeness):

Accusing people of sexual molestation with the goal of collecting a wad of cash is an entrenched practice in our society. A good friend of mine told me of a co-worker of his that served 4 years in prison for allegedly sexually harassing a woman. Later the woman admitted she made
the story up, and confessed to her lie because she didn’t want Jesus to punish her. Just think of how easy it would be if you were a wealthy person running a charity for children for someone trying to collect some bucks from your charity to claim that you molested their son. Imagine if an ad was then run asking people to come forth if they were molested by you.

Many people can be blinded by greed, especially in economic times like these. It is likely that after Sandusky was accused of molesting a child, some people felt that they could make money by making similar claims.

Its tragic to have to discuss this, but it just makes no sense whatsoever. I can tell that Sandusky is over 6 feet from looking at him entering cars and going through doors or standing next to people whose height I know. A boy 10 years old can only reach in height to the waist of a man that tall. So the claims made by McQueery need not be discredited by the doctor who asserted that McQueery did not tell him what he claimed later. McQueery’s claims collapse using simple logic— a man that tall can’t sodomize a 10 years old boy while both are standing on the ground. Watch Mike McQueery now claim that Sandusky was kneeling on the floor while sodomizing the boy, or that the boy was standing on a stool. Even if he changed his story in that way, it would still lack credibility because a child that age can’t be sodomized by a person as big as Sandusky, assuming normal proportions, and just look at McQueery without asking for help. Grown male prisoners that have been raped speak of the enormous physical pain suffered. So it is very likely that this story was fabricated or embellished for effect.

Another note: In the YMCA showers men still shower with naked boys about. Why? Parents bring their children to the pool and then the children go to the showers and men are often showering there. Many time the children head into the steam room and sauna and again stand around naked with naked men about. I am not sure if the YMCA can change this policy as they dont have independent showers for boys under 18 years of age, and children 10 years old are too old to shower with ladies. I assume people think it is ok for boy to shower with older women but not with older men.

I have noticed though that many men when they see a naked child near them run away probably because they are afraid that they could be accused of molesting the child by some greedy parent looking to make some money on the side; I have heard a few of them joke about this in the sauna. The kids have no idea why the men run away when they are near. I am wondering if this response could eventually hurt the development of a child.

I knew McQueary story was false:

A 6+ foot tall man can’t sodomize a 3 foot tall boy while both are standing up.

2)To penetrate the victim Sandusky would have had to hold him up, but then making the slapping sounds characteristic of intercourse would have been impossible.

The conclusion is that McQueary made up the story and clearly he had reasons to do it. Why the reasons?

McQueary wanted to clear the way for his career climb.

Assuming that McQueary claims were true, which they are not. It speaks volumes about McQueary. Why?

McQueary subsequently after claiming he saw Sandusky raping the 10 years old boy.
attended several fund raisers for the Sandusky Charity. The thought that a man who.
saw an adult raping a minor (or anyone for that matter) would attend a fund raiser for the rapist he witnessed is incriminating in its own right. McQueary should be brought to justice.

McQueary story is finally collapsing. Even the claim that he reported the incident to the police is being denied by the police.

Sad that some men could make such claims.

Another version of Mike McQueary’s story about Jerry Sandusky surfaces on December 11, 2011, 10:53AM “A month after assistant coach Mike McQueary said he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in a shower in March 2002, Sandusky coached McQueary in a charity flag football game.”

A rather shocking fact for someone who saw Sandusky rape a 10 years old boy. Lets be honest McQueary’s claims are totally made up. Why? How can a 6+ feet tall man rape a 3 feet tall boy while both are standing and the boy has his hands against the wall. This makes absolutely no sense. Even less sense makes the claim that McQueary heard the rhythmic slapping sounds that accompany sexual intercourse since to have successfully raped such a small person Sandusky had to have been holding him up with his hands and that would have prevented the slapping sounds from being made. And then you have to laugh when you read that both the boy that was being raped and Sandusky looked at McQueary. It doesn’t stop here. McQueary claims in an email to a friend that he went to the police and told them about what he had witnessed. Ummmm, there is no record of this, at least according to the police… Can any serious person believe that the police would not keep a record of a child rape by an adult even if the said adult was a celebrity in the town?

These claims are way too amazing to be taken as truth. It gets better when you read that neither Paterno nor the Penn officials were told that Sandusky was raping the child when McQueary spoke to them the day after the incident in 2002; both Paterno and Shultz claim that McQueary only said that Sandusky was engaged in improper behavior with the boy.

Can Sandusky be tried for having showered naked with kids? No! This happens routinely in athletic settings. Even playing while naked with kids occurs routinely in athletic settings between male coaching staff and male kids. It is just the way things have been done for years. For example at the YMCA that I attend, until not too long ago men were required to swim naked in the pool, yes with kids around. And it was common for kids to play around naked.

Yes Sandusky should be tried for allegedly molesting children in his home. I don’t think however that McQueary’s claims that he saw him rape a boy is true. This was probably a move on the part of McQueary to clear his career ascent path. If it is actually true that McQueary saw this and then attended fundraising functions by Sandusky, then McQueary belongs in jail also. Period.

Posted on Ask your questions about the Jerry Sandusky scandal on November 21, 2011, 9:30PM

Enderw24 · February 5, 2012, 8:50pm

Sadly they’re currently all in a 269-way tie for first:

El_Kabong · February 5, 2012, 9:02pm

A good place to start would be posts 2213 and 2294 (pages 46-47 if you are set up for 50 posts/page) and reading forward from there.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14694796&postcount=2213

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14710608&postcount=2294

Not that it wasn’t an epic trainwreck prior to that, but IMO that’s where the weirdness really turned pro.

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 9:03pm

Someone made a list at some point but I’m not finding it. Here is not a bad starting point:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14711210&postcount=2329

So all things considered I’m more certain than ever that whatever it was that was going on in that shower, it almost certainly was not anal rape, and was more likely something skeevy but not necessarily damaging to the child such as a faux-innocent hug or faux-innocent wrestling or horseplay.

Frankly, I don’t know why you people are so cranked up. I would think that you’d be grateful instead to learn that the evidence indicates that that young boy wasn’t subjected to anal rape after all. I would think that would be a relief! Is your hatred for Sandusky so intense, and your desire to unthinkingly fly off the handle and jump to the worst sort of convlusions so strong, that you would prefer that young boy had been anally raped after all so long as it allows you to indulge your righteous outrage and your hatred for Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno?

drewtwo99 · February 5, 2012, 9:08pm

They aren’t all his direct quotes, but I think I made a very accurate and exhaustive list of all of the claims that SA has made in this thread, or at least, the more questionable ones.

Here.

I reiterate what I said before. Given all of those hypothetical situations, I think we can ALL admit that we’ve been in a situation just like Sandusky and Paterno. :rolleyes:

Huerta88 · February 5, 2012, 9:11pm

Thanks for that, I knew I’d seen someone compile it.

Frylock, you could go back and check (if SA were here he’d shrilly demand that you needed to because his positions had been distorted or lied about), but there’s no real need – the synopsis Drew provided, snark aside, is quite accurate, almost word for word, and takes no rhetorical liberties or exaggeration of what SA actually said.

digs · February 5, 2012, 10:08pm

Starvin’, have you showed your family this thread?

Have you told your loved ones about your fixation here? Please do, and ask if they’re concerned for you.

But since you probably don’t have the guts to do that (I know I wouldn’t), I’ll just drop it and say thanks for uniting all the warring tribes against a common enemy.

Kind of like Hilary Clinton handing Dick Cheney a shotgun when the aliens attack…

(Aliens from … Uranus?)

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