Kind of late for a eulogy, dontcha think?
Possibly right about that site. But that raises a good question. What is the public’s perception about Penn State’s approach to the victims?
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God darnit, Mr. NoLittlePlans, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.
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With all kinds of complexities at stake, any theories for why the BOT would unconditionally accept the unchallenged conclusions of the Freeh report?
I sense, perhaps, that you have grossly overestimated the stakes involved.
Paterno fucked up. He wasn’t alone in this, and he fucked up in a way that unfortunately a great many people have in the past and will in the future, where turning a blind eye in the name of protecting the institution from scandal only ensures a greater scandal down the road, after more victims have been hurt.
I don’t need to have a negative opinion of Starving Artist to know this (I do, but I don’t find him worthy of hatred or anger - he’s barely worthy of contempt), nor is there any aspect of mob mentality driving me. I tally the votes as an intellectual exercise, nothing more. To the extent to votes mean anything, they suggest only that Starving Artist’s theories have very little support. A similar poll in a thread featuring an outspoken moon hoaxer might expect a similar result, his repeated claims to have supplied conclusive evidence and thus “won” notwithstanding.
I realize it’s probably disappointing to not get spit on, since your premise is that your opponents are spitting mad (indeed that they must be, else they would not stand in opposition), but that’s your problem, not mine.
Perhaps, unlike Paterno et al, they realize dealing with the situation quickly will save more problems down the road.
ANYONE who uses Free-fucking-Republic as automatically loses all credibility.
Kinda funny that he hasn’t [del]posted as Starving Artist.[/del] been here since you rocked him so hard with that post.
Heck, that Starving Artist hasn’t even said so much as “thanks” to NoLittlePlans, or addressed him at all, really, is either downright rude or very telling, or both.
He will now 
NLP hasn’t contributed much of his own opinions or analysis; he’s mostly been posting links to sites that support Paterno, or try to discredit McQueary. I don’t think he’s a sock, I think he’s a google news feed.
No shortage of sewage on Louis Freeh, Guina.
You stupid twats! 
From me, post 5050, 2:02 this afternoon:
Nice post a little upthread there, NoLittlePlans, would that I had thy silver tongue. I’m flattered that these numbskulls think your posts are mine. 
And now to continue with my pleasant and enjoyable off-board day. I shall leave you dolts to your folly and correct you on the morrow.
Bone swar.
How the quote from post 5050 has any connection to the lines that precede it eludes me, but that kind of thing is par for the course from Starving Artist. It’s not a denial, it’s not a confirmation, it’s… nothing.
Those are all fair responses. Your position on Joe Paterno is one I still acknowledge as an open possibility. As you said, pedophilia has unfortunately been buried as the heinous horrific secret of society since the beginning of time, to the point where 1 out of 5 Americans will be subjected to a form of child sexual abuse by the age of 18. It is not my intention to suggest that Paterno has some kind of holy power that makes him immune to such failures, but based on the limited information that’s available today, I don’t see enough to judge his handling of the 2001 incident. I understand there’s a number of compelling points that could be used to strongly imply JVP dropped the ball in 2001, but neither side of the coin has enough verified information to connect all the dots for a conclusive determination. JMHO.
If it turns out that he did in fact look the other way, as I initially believed upon the release of Louis Freeh’s “reasonable conclusions,” well, I was completely crushed back then when the report was being universally accepted as the indisputable truth that proved Paterno’s proactive participation in protecting a child rapist and further exposing a number of additional children to Jerry’s living nightmare of soul-shattering violations of human decency. Coming to terms with the painful truth that I was wrong all along about JVP, it felt like anvil came crashing down on my heart (which of course didn’t compare to the real pain suffered by Jerry’s victims). The sense of betrayal bled into the destruction of my inner-most “understanding” about the balance of good vs evil and the rightful administration of justice in life… along with that, I felt foolish for investing so much internal currency in the unreasonable ideals I held for another human being who was not just flawed and imperfect just like me, but able to live with himself after serving up our most vulnerable and innocent members of society to be butchered up by the devil in a real-life slaughterhouse of sexual violations. Whether he chose to block out the crimes perpetuated by his (in)actions, or worse – if he was proactively complicit – either way, he seemingly could have prevented those horrors from happening but ultimately accepted that as the price to pay in exchange for the preservation of more valuable pursuits in life. So, that, to me, was the death of my all-time hero. I sent an email out to a couple of family/friends to acknowledge my shameful mistake in defending the character of a man who invited such evils into the lives of these kids.
Since this is already getting way too long, I won’t get into everything that stripped out the credibility of the report to me, but needless to say, it felt really good to objectively believe that JoePa was indeed the man of character and values that I had always believed in. I’m not ready to declare it to the world, we still need to learn more about the message Mike McQueary communicated and Paterno’s understanding of that message (with conflicting information shooting holes in both sides of the argument [with potentially corresponding theoretical explanations of justification for those holes, as well]). Until that information comes out, JoePa’s earned the benefit of my doubt.
Anyone care to see how their awareness of the scandal measures up against the national medias? Someone actually paid $10,000 to have this test-study clinically conducted.
1. Now, thinking a little bit about collegiate athletics…To your best knowledge, what school fired a coach of a major men’s sports program in 2011 for sexually abusing young boys?
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[li]Penn State[/li][li]Syracuse[/li][li]Washington[/li][li]Duke[/li][li]Other (Specify)[/li][li]None[/li][li]Don’t Know[/li][/ul]
Now, thinking a little bit about Penn State…
2. Considering everything you have seen, read, or heard about the scandal at Penn State, would you say that the media coverage of Joe Paterno’s role in this scandal has been fair and accurate?
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[li]Yes[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]No[/li][/ul]
Now I am going to ready you a number of statements about the scandal involving Penn State’s football program, some of which are true and some of which are false.
3. Joe Paterno was accused of molesting children.
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[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
4. Jerry Sandusky had already retired as a football coach when he was found in the Penn State locker room shower with a young boy.
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[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
5. Joe Paterno arranged for the person in charge of Penn State campus police to be informed of the shower allegation involving Jerry Sandusky.
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[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
6. Jerry Sandusky was acquitted of the rape charge in the allegation made by Mike McQueary, the witness in the Sandusky shower allegation.
[ul]
[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
7. The victim in the Mike McQueary allegation came forward and testified at the Sandusky trial.
[ul]
[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
8. The Freeh Report did not speak to the five Penn State people most closely connected to the case.
[ul]
[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
9. The witness in the Sandusky shower allegation, Mike McQueary, testified inaccurately about the year in which the incident took place.
[ul]
[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
10. The Freeh Report found emails written by Joe Paterno directing a cover up of the scandal.
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[li]True[/li][li]Unsure[/li][li]False[/li][/ul]
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I’m not sure the word “objectively” means what you think it does.
Are you of the opinion that there’s a correct answer to this question?
Can anyone think of any other examples of an entity opening itself up to unlimited legal exposure by voluntarily and unconditionally accepting any and all investigative findings of institutional/individual wrongdoing?
Strikes me as a strategy that offers very little upside with no protection against an unexpected world of trouble. Strikes me as a failure by the BOTs to fulfill their fiduciary responsibilities to the university.
Happens all the time. It’s called ‘pleading no contest’ or ‘offering to settle’ or ‘voluntary recall’, etc.
And it by far the more fiduciarily responsible option when:[ul][li]You know you are guilty.[/li][li]You don’t think you can get a jury to believe you are not guilty.[/li][li]The costs of a legal defense are higher than just paying the damages.[/li][/ul]
To follow through on the analogy, this would assume, however, that Rodney Erickson and the Board of Trustees had knowledge of far more incriminating acts of criminal behavior. Though hopefully unlikely, your theory is believable. I shudder at the possibilities. Not sure America can take another chapter of this horror story without losing all faith in humanity.