Perhaps this would be a good time to acquaint (or reacquaint as the case may be) the Gentle Reader with the testimony of Dr. Jonathan Dranov, a family friend of the McQueary’s, who has a different account of what McQueary told him he saw in the shower room that night:
It would be interesting to know whether Dr. Dranov’s version is the truth. If so it appears that McQueary, perhaps upon getting less of a rise out of Dranov than he expected and anxious to have his suspicions validated, embellished what he saw by a considerable degree in subsequent tellings to Joe Paterno and even more when testifying to the Grand Jury.
On the one hand, Dranov is an old family friend and colleague of McQueary’s father and presumably would have some motive to downplay events to favor Penn State and perhaps Paterno, and on the other hand, based upon the photographs of the locker room and shower entrance that NoLittlePlans was kind enough to post, it seems unlikely that McQueary actually saw what he says he saw.
It may eventually turn out that this whole thread was based on nothing but lies and that McQueary never saw Sandusky and the boy in any kind of position at all!
And wouldn’t that be fun?
Sure would be for me!
I wonder if lie detector tests for the two of them might be a possibility?
SA, how many times have you hugged naked kids in the shower? Because as ‘normal’ as you appear to think said behavior is, it has never occurred to me to engage in it nor anyone else I know.
No, apparently the prosecutor apparently didn’t find actionable cause. A police investigator says the allegation was true, and he was surprised at the prosecutor’s inaction.
Paterno said that McQueary told him about witnessing sexual acts. Sexual acts on a child. Paterno said that was his understanding of McQ’s report to him, Paterno. You say it yourself – “some… …form of sexual intercourse”. Are you too stupid to read your own words?
No, Paterno knew that McQ claimed to have witnessed sexual acts on a child. All your circular reasoning cannot remove this simple fact. Paterno doesn’t claim he didn’t believe it. He never said that McQ was an unreliable witness. But instead of reporting it to the police, and following up to see if anything developed that might impact Penn State through its relationship with Second Mile, he argued that Sandusky should be confronted and told not to do it again. And we don’t know if even that futile effort actually took place. What we do know is that, whatever these conspirators did, it wasn’t enough. Sandusky’s multiple convictions are ample evidence of that.
This makes Paterno a selfish, craven man, more desirous of a cover-up than concerned about a child’s welfare. And it makes you something even less noble, for your ridiculous apologia on behalf of a disgusting person who has no rightful claim to be anyone’s hero.
I’ve gazed through bits and pieces of this thread, and I may as well come out to say that I, too, find Starving Artist’s behavior absurd bordering on surreal.
At some point, I assume someone’s done the math on the possibility of Sandusky squatting for (um) proper alignment? But for kicks, let’s assume a foot-to-knee length for Sandusky of 18in and a knee-to-top-of-leg length of 18in; this’d be roughly in line with Sandusky’s height (75in). For him to achieve a pelvic drop of roughly one foot, he’d only have to bend his legs at an angle of asin(6 / 18) ~= 20 degrees. That seems fairly doable, and in fact I can manage a one-foot drop (as measured from nose to floor) for several minutes with no trouble — despite being six inches shorter than Sandusky, in rather poor health, and afflicted with chronic leg/foot conditions.
I’ve also never given anyone a hug in the shower. I’ll admit to being prudish, but, uh, I have trouble believing anyone could find innocuous the practice of naked alone time shower hugs between children and adult authority figures. If McQueary had come to me I’d’ve been much likelier to think “where there’s smoke there’s fire” than “well, naked shower hugging was perfectly innocent last time.”
Heck, if Paterno believed McQueary was making it up, and Paterno was such a stand-up guy, why didn’t he fire McQueary? Making a false accusation of this kind is pretty serious stuff.
Okay, just taking a short break and ducking back in for a few quick comments:
a.) If you’ve only looked at bits and pieces of this thread it’s highly unlikely you have a very good grasp of my position on anything. There have been two or three posters in this thread who managed to keep their heads on straight and with the possible exception of NoLittlePlans, who hasn’t commented on specifics, even they’ve had trouble keeping straight what I’ve actually said vs. what my opponents’ feedback distorts it into.
b.) I believe your shorter stature would be an advantage in squatting down to two feet off the ground.
c.) Even though you may be able to lower yourself to that height I doubt very seriously you could carry out copulatory movements for several minutes in that position. If you can fit yourself inside a paper towel tube, I suggest it might make a suitable vehicle for experimentation. Note also that your position while doing so will not be that which a reasonable person would likely describe as “standing,” which is how Mike McQueary described Sandusky’s position when he allegedly saw him in contact with the boy in the shower.
d.) I’m not surprised my opponents are once again trying to deflect attention toward me since they have zero evidence that Joe Paterno or Penn State as an entity engaged in any sort of cover up for Jerry Sandusky’s rape of children on or about the Penn State campus.
Dude, you have more posts in this thread than any two other posters combined. If anyone’s thoughts are represented here among the bits and pieces, they’re yours.
Did McQueary describe seeing Sandusky’s and the victim’s clothes anywhere in the locker room? If not, clearly they came to campus naked.
You know, you really don’t have to announce your every exit and departure as though we were a troop of terrified Cub Scouts chained up in your crawlspace wondering when the bad old man in the Penn State jersey will let us see mommy and daddy again.
