Hah! That could be a textbook description of this thread, and the press’ and much of the country’s reaction as well!
More comedy! Thank you… I especially love the implication that less knowledge (or incorrect knowledge) about sex is somehow superior or to be preferred then more knowledge.
Young men are young men, and military guys in the 40s, and young athletes in every decade since, were just as dirty-minded and filthy-tongued as they are now.
What can I say? People in this thread majorly pissed me off. Much more majorly than I’ve ever been pissed off here before. So this is what they get. And what they get is me - WINNING!
And,
duh, duh, dut, dut, duh…I’m lovin’ it! 
That none of the three things Robot Arm describes applies to the thread, the press, or much of the country?
If you ignore me, that proves you can’t handle my wisdom shining light on your villainy.
Fine, back up that statement.
Who was predisposed to hate Paterno?
Who is ignoring additional facts, like the Freeh Report?
What severe punishment was Paterno subjected to?
Oh. Huh.
Didn’t you know? Starving’s high school in the 1960s was exactly representative of America overall.
Yep it’s the Gay’s fault. At least it’s not the Jews this time.
Maybe that were repulsed because you kept asking them about it.
It really is all in the approach, isn’t it?
The point IS, Starving Artist, he could have done more, and he didn’t. He had the opportunity, he did the bare minimum. Even IF he didn’t know salacious details of what went on as far as anal sex, the guy knew that child molestation occurs, and he was told that something happened. He HIMSELF said he wished he had done more.
You don’t get lauded for doing the bare minimum. Chris Rock did a rant on people who wanted credit for doing what they’re supposed to do.
You can take your stupid “WINNING!” bullshit and shove it sideways. Nobody cares all that much about winning on the goddamned internet, for crissakes. Go screw yourself.
Would that be anally?
Well, if he has trouble, he can always get… dare I say it… coaching.
Of course he wished he had done more, given that the school was destroyed by the ridiculous hysteria that resulted from the immediate presumption that he and everyone who’d ever heard the words Penn State were responsible for Sandusky’s crimes.
And he absolutely did not do the bare minimum. He behaved exactly as he was supposed under the guidelines and systems in place at the time. He was praised by the police and prosecutors in the beginning before that asshole Pennsylvania state trooper went on t.v. and said if he’d called the cops they could have prevented it all, which was pure self-aggrandizing bullshit.
Paterno then joined in a plan to force Sandusky into treatment.
He was a fucking football coach. He was not a trained child abuse investigator, and he was not a cop. He had no obligation to force the issue or to make sure Sandusky was brought to justice. Any cop worth his salt would tell you that’s the last thing they want civilians doing when an investigation is called for.
If anyone is to be faulted for not bringing the police into the situation it would be Penn State’s administrative officials, and given what they knew at the time I wouldn’t fault them either. They tried to do what was best as conventional wisdom and common practice at the time suggested. To claim they should have known this and should have done that and they’re therefore responsible for ten year’s worth of something else is Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst, because it insists upon knowledge that didn’t exist, beliefs that weren’t common, judgements made in hindsight and based largely on hysteria, and the fervent belief that they “caused” ten year’s of oral and anal rape of children due to their irresponsible failure to extrapolate that behavior from one report of close contact with a kid in a shower.
I hate to break it to ya, Guin, but people have not traditionally flown into hysterics immediately upon hearing allegations of child abuse. That all started with the advent of the internet and the burgeoning fear of child predators that began to use it for their nefarious purposes. Even today cops and other people responsible for dealing with it and who see the consequences of it first hand don’t fly into hysterics the instant they hear about it. They calmly and with deliberate consideration for the facts set about trying to determine exactly what happened and then how to proceed from there.
Paterno, et al. did the same thing. The fact they didn’t immediately fly into hysterics at the suggestion that McQueary had seen some vague “form of intercourse” in a highly unlikely venue was obviously not sufficient in their eyes at the time to warrant the ridiculous claims now about what they should have done. They tried to find a humane solution to what they believed had become some sort of problem that Sandusky had, without doing damage to his charity and probably without doing harm to his family and apparently without doing public harm to him and his reputation for good works, all while being totally ignorant of harm being done to the children themselves.
There is no evidence whatsoever that was uncovered in the Freeh report that Paterno or any of those other guys sought to protect the university, or the football program or alumni donations or anything like that. They merely had come to believe Sandusky had developed a problem and they wanted to pressure him into getting help for it, which would have been a wise and appropriate approach by almost anyone at the time.
I really don’t give a shit what Chris Rock has done. And I don’t care how many times you or anyone else keeps repeating the mantra that Paterno did the “bare minimum.” He did what he was supposed to. And then he did some more. What he did not do was take it upon himself to inject himself into matters he wasn’t trained or supposed to involve himself in. And he was right not to do so.
My WINNING is not bullshit, dear. It’s a fact of life. 
No u.
If the main reason he wished he had done more was the damage done to Penn State’s football program, and not what happened to those kids, then that’s fucked up and doesn’t speak very highly of him. Yes, he did “what he was supposed to do.” But I’m not talking about laws and guidelines – I’m talking about, did he do what he should have done, morally? McQueary was equally, perhaps even more at fault than Paterno, I’d say. But everyone, just passing the buck – all of them failed to act. You don’t just go up to some dude, “hey, did you molest this kid? No? Okay, it’s cool.”
And given what DID happen, this wasn’t hysteria. There was a lot of talk. And THAT, is also a “fact of life”. Look, you’re free to continue to admire Paterno. But the fact is, he HAD the opportunity to step up, and do something – and not “just what he was required to do, according to the rules.” A lot people were harmed. If you’re more worried about a football program and people whose lives were ruined by being raped as kids, there’s something seriously wrong with you.
Seriously. I just don’t get it.
tomndebb, well, it involves a cardboard tube.
It’s obvious that you don’t get it. You can’t correctly interpret words right in front of your face. I didn’t say he wished he had done more because of damage to his football team, I said he wished he had done more because of damage done to the entire university! Which he loved and devoted his entire life and a considerable amount of his wealth to.
He did not have an opportunity to “step up and do something.” I just told you, he wasn’t qualified to do “something” and the cops don’t want civilians injecting themselves into potential criminal investigations and muddying up the works. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, up to and including not injecting himself where he didn’t belong.
And he didn’t know people were being harmed! How many times do I have to say that?
And why do you keep harping on what I have the most concern over? My defense of Joe Paterno from this ridiculous backlash has absolutely no bearing on what happened to those kids, and the will not be harmed one iota because of it, nor would they have benefited in the slightest if I’d never said a word. Try to get this through your head: The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other! I got this same shit over in the shooting thread: “How can you argue in favor of gun ownership and conservatism when kids have been killed…boo, hoo, hoo!” Well, I can do it because they aren’t being harmed by it, and because they aren’t being helped if I don’t. Again - “The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other!” Criminy! What is wrong with you people? Does anything but emotion ever rule your thinking? And can you absolutely not see the idiotic notions it causes you to arrive at when you let it? You don’t make the slightest bit of sense, and then you revile me because I don’t behave according to the idea you have in your head that doesn’t make any damn sense in the first place, which you’d realize if you had a tiny little me sitting on your shoulder going: “Pssst, hey, Guin, those kids will still be raped no matter what Starvey does…or doesn’t do! So why not listen to him for a change? He makes some good points!”
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You don’t make the slightest bit of sense, and then you revile me because I don’t behave according to the idea you have in your head that doesn’t make any damn sense in the first place, which you’d realize if you had a tiny little me sitting on your shoulder going: "Pssst, hey, Guin, those kids will still be raped no matter what Starvey does…or doesn’t do!
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Contemplates notion of tiny Starving Artist sitting on shoulder, blathering endlessly about Joe Paterno and child rape, and finds self begging for sweet, sweet death
No, actually the tiny little Starvey would be making reminders about logic. Sort or a personal trainer in logic, so to speak. The subject could be anything.
It would be best if tiny me had a tiny taser too. That way whenever Guin or Kolga or whoever says something like, “Oh, boo, hoo…Tragedy X happened and so-and-so is doing Y,” I can zap 'em to short-circuit the misdirected thought and then remind them every so gently that “Tragedy X still happened no matter what so-and-so is doing/saying/claiming/whatever, and it will still have happened even if he wasn’t. So there’s no correlation. Stop thinking like that. Become a conservative. You will be happier and life will make more sense.”
So Hillary Clinton fell and got a concussion before testifying about Benghazi, and it still would have happened even if she wasn’t. Is that the sort of logical flaw that Mini-Starv will be pointing out?
McQueary made his report in March 2001.
Jerry Sandusky was still molesting at least one boy up until 2008.
Paterno can take his full share of responsibility for that.