What the fuck is so obscure about a directive to Google something? Is Google obscure? Had you done as I suggested, you’d have a better idea why wearing all blue isn’t just routine. Why you instead chose to search the sdmb, I’ve no idea.
If the PSU community choose to just not show up at the game at all I don’t think I’d be doing too much shatting upon such an action. But hey, they wore different colors that are still the school colors. Now thats classy and shows some real personal sacrifice :rolleyes:
Because I interpreted the attitude of your post to be, “Why don’t you Google…, you dumbass?” And you said it as if the term had been used, or was generally known. So I searched here thinking I had missed it, and I hadn’t.
And then you called Marly23 a douche for simply trying to answer my question, that confirmed my opinion that you were posting like a prick. Marly also wondered why you were so offended.
And then Bumbershoot appeared and noted that you had been “set off”.
That is 3 different posters who noted your reactions were… over the top, to be charitable. So perhaps it is you who ought to be dialing things back a bit.
Sure. They could have done that, and there has been a lot of discussion about what the best thing to do in this situation might be. It is kind of hard though, to come together as a community by just going away.
Boy, am I ever embarrassed about bow much I’ve been proclaiming this as an act of personal sacrifice.
I don’t see what relevance this has. I started out by saying that the piling on has irritated me. Your deduction that I am irritated by this, however insightful and intuitive it may seem, has no bearing on whether or not the “hurr hurr” reaction to the effort to wear all blue is the result of ignorance.
To sum up, yes I am irritated by your ignorance.
I am afraid that I am distracting from the rightful condemnation of those at fault in this situation. It is not my intent to distract from that with a sideshow. There is a great deal to be saddened and outraged by here. Please ignore my discussion on the matter of wearing all blue.
Blue or white… who cares anyway. None of those fans raped anyone, nor did they know it happened and ignored it. The condemnation should be focused on the rapist and his enablers.
And I asked a question to try to reduce my ignorance. I was not piling on anybody. And I didn’t ask YOU. Yet you chose to intervene in a dickish manner and insult me and the person who answered me. And didn’t your parents teach you that being irritated is not sufficient reason to act like a dick?
FYI, I would not have made this post had I gotten even the slightest sense in your last post that you are acknowledging your poor manners as anything other than an interruption of the conversation.
But I acknowledge I too have been interrupting the flow of righteous indignation about all things Penn, and I apologize to other posters, and I will not continue this sidetrack.
With the enablers gone from the field, and the victims hopefully getting help, I am glad the students showed up to support their team. It is not the fault of the football players that the coach was morally lacking, and they shouldn’t be punished for it.
WTF??? This has nothing to do with the law. I’m not saying whether the people involved broke the law by keeping silent. THAT, as you said, is for the courts to decide.
No, I’m pointing out that they had a moral and ethical duty to speak up – and they didn’t. THAT is what I’m trying to say, and that is what I think most people here are trying to say. If I saw a child being molested (fondled, raped, whatever), and I didn’t tell the police, I don’t believe I could live with myself.
How is it being a “vigilante” to simply say I think that I personally believe the guy had a duty to speak up and didn’t do so? I’m not out there going after him with a pitchfork myself. I’m saying that if he knew something was going on, he should have spoken up. NOT because of any legal obligations, but for moral and ethical reasons.
Paterno and McQueary may be in the clear, legally. But they failed to do what was right. And because of that, more children had to suffer. Period. If having a conscious and speaking up when a child is being abused is being “hysterical”, well, then I’m proud to be hysterical.
“Innocent until proven guilty” is for the courts. It doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t speculate and offer up our own views on what should have been done.
And don’t sit there and say, “It’s all in your head, and you’ve lost your mind, there there”. Don’t try and patronize me.
Paterno had a character-defining test and he flunked it.
I’ve been trying to go back and read posts I missed. I found one that stated something to the effect of it being easy to say what you would do in McQueary’s or Paterno’s position but you really don’t know until you’ve been there.
I do know, without a doubt what I would have done. A few years ago my neighbor’s house was under construction. Around midnight or so I went outside to have a smoke and heard banging coming from the house. I could see people running through the upstairs part of the house (only the framing was up so you could see through the entire upstairs). I kept looking and thought it was wierd that I didn’t see or hear a vehicle leave when it looked like the people ran towards the road. I called the contractor. I finally got ahold of him around 1:30 and yes, I woke his ass up. He said noone should be there. He told me he would come over to check on things and not worry if I saw him pull in.
I decided to get my flashlight (a stupid kiddo Halloween one) and go back outside. I figured I would have another smoke and maybe go over myself to check on things. As I got to the bottom of my porch steps I saw a vehicle coast down the road, lights off. Two men got out, quietly shut the doors and started walking towards the house. Mind you I’m a female, 5’2’', 110 pounds. No match for two men. I realized pretty quick that this wasn’t the contractor. I started walking right over to the truck. Men or no men I was going to get the license plate number. As soon as they saw me they ran back to the truck.
My development only has only one way in and out so I decided to cut them off at the entrance. I ran through a neighbor’s backyard and stood in the middle of the road. And I did stand there. I basically played chicken with a vehicle. He damn near hit me. I ended up smacking the side of his truck with my flashlight. I didn’t get the plate number but I did get a description of a sticker on the door. All noise woke my neighbor. I went to their house, called 911 to report it then called the contractor to let him know someone was there stealing something. I waited until 4:30 in the morning outside with the contractor until the police showed up.
Now, the cops even laughed at the idea that I attempted to run down a truck, played chicken with them and hit their truck with my stupid little plastic flashlight. They even suggested if I wanted to act like a cop I should at least get a MagLight. They didn’t laugh so much when they realized they knew who owned the truck.
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/506935/Arrested-for-theft.html
I was the one who gave the vehicle description.
Anyway… the point is this, it was a simple theft. Those two guys could have beat the Hell out of me if they wanted to. They could have ran me over with their truck if they wanted to. I do realize that now but when it was happening all I knew was that what they were doing was wrong and they weren’t going to do that shit in my neighborhood. And I did end up calling my mommy… after I called the contractor and 911. I can’t speak for anyone else but I can certainly speak for myself. Based on my past experience of being a witness to a crime I know what I would have done. The only question in my mind is what object would have been within arms reach for me to attack him with.
When it comes to Joepa this mentality carries over. If I had been told a child was raped in my shower (Joepa had to have seen those showers as his) or “some type of sexual contact” or whatever or even in a shower at my job I wouldn’t have rested until I was certain the rapist was being investigated. If I had been told, at the minimum, some type of sexual activity took place between an adult and child and the man only had his keys taken away I would have gone to the police myself, superiors be damned. Fuck 'em if they think taking his keys is punishment enough.
And before you start whining about not interferring in an investigation you can go fuck yourself. I’ve been involved in those. When you are involved in one you get contacted, you give a statement, etc. At what point in the years after 2002 was Paterno or McQueary still sitting by the phone waiting for someone to call about his official statement? That’s right, they weren’t. They knew the whole thing was taken care of when McQueary was told Sandusky had to turn over his keys to the locker room. Sorry, but where I’m from child rapists go to the clink as punishment. The punishment usually isn’t just taking away the keys to the rape room.
I’m pretty sure Joe Paterno was not legally obligated to let Sandusky continue to bring children to the Penn State campus after he was told Sandusky was abusing them in the showers by someone he trusted enough to keep on as a coach.
I’m very sure Joe Paterno was not legally obligated to continue encouraging his players to help Sandusky attract children to his program after he was told he was a child abuser.
Sandusky had no legal right to those “privileges”. Paterno went out of his way to help him even after he was told what was going on.
Well, I personally think VERY badly of you as a person. I wouldn’t say you lost your mind however; I don’t think you had one to lose.
You are a degenerate piece of shit. You take a stand for monsters, and the people who cover up their actions. You place appearances above the lives of children. You are more concerned about people’s reputations than you are about their moral failings. You are the reason these things are covered up, you are the reason people suffer abuse in silence, knowing if they speak out no one will believe them, *you *are the reason the powerful are able prey on the powerless. You would take us all back to a time when men like Sandusky and Paterno could use their influence in the community to hide these things, and shame the victims for not crying out loud enough. You are the lowest type of person, someone who would rather suck up to those in charge, rather than stand with those who’ve been hurt. You think you are a dispassionate logical advocate for justice, but what you are is an advocate for silence, and shaming, and fear.
Go look in the mirror; the face staring back at you is the face of moral cowardice. You should be ashamed.
You are a loon, pure and simple. You have accused me of saying or implying that child anal rape isn’t too bad if the kid isn’t screaming and various other things that show you’re more than a few cards short of a full deck on this issue. I care about as much what you think of me as I do our favorite pumpkin-headed TV personality. I’d wager that you believe with all your soul that “Tot Mom” should have been convicted of murder, and that those of us who have the gall to point out that it couldn’t even be proven that Caylee was murdered much less that Casey was the culprit are “defending” Casey, when what we’re really doing is defending proper legal process, and that we are child murder “apologists.”
Like I said, you are a loon. I’d be about as likely to take character advice from you - or care what you think of me - as I would Nancy Grace. In fact, of the two of you I’d be more inclined to take advice from Nancy Grace because despite her many other faults (one of which is that like you, she is profoundly dishonest and prone to fictatious flights of fancy) she is at least fairly intelligent.
You are an idiot. I have literally never watched Nancy Grace, and I couldn’t care less about Tot Mom or whatever. You know nothing about me. Unfortunately, we all know more about you than we ever wished, and its sickening. I’m done responding to you; everyone can see what a craven piece of dog feces you are, and I have nothing to gain from engaging you further. I hope one day you are able to muster an ounce of empathy for the real victims of this tragedy; hint: it isn’t Joe Fucking Paterno.
Seriously. Did somebody screw with Starving Artists computer so it would autocorrect/replace “it” with “Nancy Grace?”
It’s either that or we know who’s starring in all of his wetmares.
Not sure it’s worth asking, but who is Nancy Grace?
Did she work for Penn State? Is she helping the prosecution?
With the amount of times Starving Artist has mentioned her, I would have assumed she was somehow part of this case, but I haven’t encountered the name anywhere except in SA’s posts.
She’s a ridiculous old bag who’s on CNN, and her modus operandi is to engage in innuendo and accusation without facts. SA believes that we are doing the same, in spite of the fact that we are basing our discussion of these events and our judgments of the people involved on facts presented in the grand jury indictment.
I wonder if you say Nancy Grace’s name five times while looking into a mirror with the lights out, she’ll appear and proceed to grill you until you commit suicide.
All it would really take is for me to look in the mirror and see Nancy Grace to get me to commit suicide. Although by the time Nancy Grace got done with the news story about my suicide it would involve a murder/cannibalism cult led by my partner who only kept me around for the last 8 years in order to lull me into a false sense of security.
Although I’m not a young, blonde woman, so it may be out of her usual MO.