No, an hour of questioning designed to make good television. That you think you can judge a relationship based on that is laughable.
The equation is we knew these people well for years, and he was capable of hiding his abuse from us for that length of time. And yet you think that because you see someone on goddamn television for 60 minutes (with commercials?) you can pronounce their situation different to the overwhelming majority of polygamous marriages, which are abusive to women.
I would legalize polygamy tomorrow if it was possible to control the abusiveness of the situation without it being criminal. Unfortunately it’s not. So the hypothetical non-abusive polygamous group’s rights suffer in order to protect the rights of the all too real abused participants in polygamy.
Well, no, they aren’t raised in a repressive religious fanatic culture in THIS family, since they don’t live on a commune. Please stop equating all plural marriages with the commune thing, it’s false.
But if you object to religious brainwashing on or off the compound, then you need to include millions of other families in the religious brainwashing, that has nothing to do with the plural marriage.
If you object to lots of kids, that also has nothing to do with plural marriage. But lots of kids plus lots of moms is way better than lots of kids with one mom.
And if you doubt either of these points, just remember Andrea Yates.
By the way… I absolutely WOULD trust an interview with Oprah over the editing done in reality tv! Of COURSE I would! Holy moly… reality TV exists to find and exacerbate conflict for the sake of entertainment!
No, polygyny means one male with multiple wives (or perhaps one wife & multiple concubines).
Polygamy is marriage involving more than two persons. Polygamy is one man with more than one female spouse; polyandry, one woman with more than one male spouse.
OK, so based on an hour with Oprah and a trailer for the show, you’ve decided this is a great lifestyle. But the actual words of the women on the show, where they come right out and say there are jealousy and insecurity issues, and based on the actual words of the man on the show where he says he’s going ahead with a new marriage, no matter how uncomfortable any of his existing wives are, holds no weight with you. Interesting.
True, this family does not live on the commune. However, they still are part of a repressive religious fanatic culture. That indeed is their faith and their culture. Nor am I equating all plural marriages with communes, just the ones that are part of the various related semi-Mormon cults, as per my cites. In fact, if you’d read my posts, I agree there are a number of plural marriage that have nothing to do with a commune. However, even tho this one is carefully scripted, they are indeed, part of a repressive religious fanatic culture. Again, try doing some outside reading and research, instead of basing your opinion on a one hour carefully scripted softball interview. I have given you several cites and so have others, but you seem to be holding your hands over your ears and going “LA, LA, LA, I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”.
Wow, she chose it without being brainwashed from birth??? How is that possible?
From LA Times review:
From the Vancouver SUn:
From Opposing Views:
So, in spite of Sarahfeena finding much nefariousness in the actual show… it would appear that reviewers who’ve watched it see pretty much what I saw on Oprah.
As people seem to be using monogamy to mean two single individuals in a relationship (whether married or not), I was assuming that the term polygamy was being used in the same way; ie, to indicate the intimate relationship of more than two individuals. As multiple marriage would not be legal, and therefore, not valid, the term would actually be referring to polyamory.
Is it not correct that without legal marriage, the terms polygamy and polyamory can be used interchangeably?
The world is a grim place at times. I guess what I’m asking is for people to try to use some subtlety and nuance when talking about other people’s lives. Nothing in this world is that simple.
And as you can now see, I’ve looked very carefully at your cites. It looks very much to me as though you are the one who cannot hear anything but what you want to hear, since your cites didn’t reveal anything at all supporting the idea that these people are crazy repressive fanatic nutjobs repressing teenage girls and discarding boys so pedophiles can party, or anything else more horrendously awful than can be found in any other family, especially NOTHING directly traceable to the practice of plural marriage! Pretty much anything you will point to will be about religious fanaticism, not plural marriage itself. And I’m the last on the list to support religious fanaticism of any flavor.
Also the reviewer clearly did that review after the first episode, in which they made the whole thing seem as attractive as possible. The shit doesn’t hit the fan until later.
You can give examples of horrible situations all day- that does not make it impossible for decent situations.
Take this as an example: One outside employed male, two outside employed females, two self-employed males, two self-employed females, one unemployed male, two unemployed females, 5 children.
More than enough money and people scrambling to get the children with them during their free time. Always the opportunity for multiple parents, and always an interested parent available- usually bickering over who will be able to hang with the kids because there isn’t enough kid time to make the all the parents feel like they are getting enough kid time…
What is your point, Sarahfeena, that monogamous marriage is free of crying, emotional turmoil or what (you personally assume) is “inherent” inequity? Cuz I don’t wanna burst your bubble or anything…
You’ve utterly failed to make the point that plural marriage, in and of itself, is particularly dreadful in ways that so far outstrip the dreadfulness of monogamous marriage that it warrants automatic condemnation as untenable.
Tell you what, go find a peer reviewed study (and an hour interview on Oprah doesn’t count, however much society has been dumbed down) that looks to polygamy as a successful societal model. I’m sure they exist.