No-one’s questioning their right to exist.
…she never claimed that they have “said these things.” She doesn’t have to be specific about anyone.
If that is what you are hearing then its pretty obvious, after 2800 posts, that you clearly aren’t listening.
We hold the position that transwomen are women. So we aren’t talking about " granting males unrestricted access. That distinction is important. its critical to the discussion and I can’t believe that after 2800 posts you seem to have completely missed the point.
If trans women are women, then if I commit a violent crime and tell the judge I’m a woman, should I be sent to a women’s prison? If not, why not?
…yeah…nah. I’m not getting into a rhetorical debate about this. There are people in this thread who post pictures of transwomen and point and laugh and call them men. They deny them their identity. They are telling people that “no, you aren’t a woman, you are a man.”
…holy fucking shit take the time to read what I’ve said on the matter in this very thread. I’m not going to repeat it for you.
I don’t see anyone pointing and laughing. Just people saying that if you’re going to call yourself a woman you should at least shave off your massive beard, lest people question your sincerity. Seems reasonable to me. Some people are trolls, some people are liars, some people are exhibitionists who’ll say and do anything to get attention, and they don’t much care what kind of attention they get. If you’re so uncommitted to your gender identity that you can’t even be bothered to shave your beard then…well, maybe you’re full of shit? If you think having this minor stipulation is the same as denying trans people’s right to exist then you’re right. We shouldn’t be having this conversation. There’s no way it could possibly be productive.
This thread’s longer than War and Peace. If you’re so uncommitted that you can’t be bothered to do a little copy/pasting then maybe you’re in the wrong place.
…of course you don’t.
Rachel McKinnon doesn’t have a massive beard.
Doesn’t sound reasonable to me at all.
You act as if we are talking about a single photograph when we are not.
By all means, feel free to stop replying to me. Go ahead. Do what you think is best.
…this discussion is in the forum “In My Humble Opinion.” I’m expressing my humble opinion. I’m not your monkey, and I’m not obligated to dance just because you demand it. I’m in exactly the right place. If you want a debate, then go open a thread in one of the debate forums.
Okay, well my humble opinion is that if we treat anyone who says they’re a woman as a woman, regardless of how they present or behave, then it’s only a matter of time before violent men start “identifying” as women so they can serve their sentences in safer women’s prisons. Why wouldn’t they? Therefore, in order to safeguard non-trans women, a certain amount of “gatekeeping” is essential. This necessarily involves telling a certain amount of men who say they’re women that they’re not, in fact, women. Note this doesn’t exclude all trans-women. For instance, I doubt many would take issue with a post-op transsexual from being sent to a women’s prison.
He’d only support your right to go to a women’s prison if you first swore in front of a magistrate that you intend to live the rest of your life as a woman, and signed a form.
…this is incorrect. Please stop making stuff up about me.
You donated money to an organisation which campaigns to create this situation.
…there are transgender women participating in this thread. How far are you willing to go with this premise? Are you going to tell them that they are not a woman?
…they are not campaigning to create this situation.
Maybe you should have checked that before donating money to them?
…maybe you should stop impugning an organization by making stuff up about them?
They are campaigning to create this situation. That’s one reason I object to them.
The other is what they are doing to children.
Difficult to say for sure, because I’ve only got brief written descriptions to go on. I’d have to make that decision with more information, and on a case by case basis. But just because it may be hard to draw a crystal clear line, that doesn’t mean we have to accept that anyone who says they’re a woman actually is one. I’ve known trans-women who’ve gone through full gender reassignment surgery and have utterly committed to their new lives, but I’ve also known men who changed their names from Mark to Mary and then did absolutely nothing else (including shave). It’s clear that the latter sort of person shouldn’t be sent to a women’s prison.
…nope. They are not campaigning on allowing sexual predators access to women’s prisons. That is certainly not a thing that they are doing.
You don’t support helping children feel better about themselves?