They’re not all true. Sex is binary, there are only two sexes. Some people cannot be simply and cleanly classified into one or the other, but that doesn’t mean there is a third sex. Using the existence of intersex people to argue that men can be women is like using the existence of mixed race people to argue white people can be black.
I mean they don’t just dislike being referred to that way, they deny that it is correct to do so. They would object to your statement by saying “I’m female, therefore my anatomy is female”.
@Kimstu, I could pull up all the posts of yours that defended calling women “menstruators” and “people with cervixes”, the casual turning of the word “woman” to meaninglessness drivel, and oh yeah, the end to female-only spaces. But it would take me hours pulling that all together and I don’t see the point of wasting my time like that. Just own up to the positions you’ve adamantly defended in this thread. No one has misunderstood you. We haven’t been debating against phantoms.
Calling women menstruators—against their repeated objections—is actually worse than defending those who use the term. So your point actually makes @Kimstu look worse than mine does.
Rather than respecting JKR and other women’s feelings about being referred to as a socially stigmatized biological function, @Kimstu condescendingly insists their offense is a product of “brain-farts” and that there is nothing wrong with women being labeled in this fashion.
In my world, this is called defending the use of the word “menstruator” as a substitute for calling women women or females. In my world, this objectifying speech is an unacceptable tax that is being extracted from women by activists who espouse TWAW. In my world, this means that @Kimstu is wrong when she says women are not affected by transwomen identifying as women. We are hugely affected by this, and this can be inferred from her own posts. She should own up to this rather than act as though she’s the victim of misunderstanding.
Once again, she’s talking about a different (but largely overlapping) category of people. Not “women”, but “people who menstruate”. Two overlapping but different groups of people.
Exactly. Lesbians are being peppered with “transphobe” so much that they have claimed the slur like they’ve claimed other slurs.
It takes a nuanced appraisal of what is happening in the community to get this, so I don’t blame people for only seeing this in 2D. But I’m siding with lesbians in this conflict. They spent decades fighting homophobes who tried to shame them out of their same-sex attraction, and they are experiencing it again, by gender ideologues.
“Menstruators” should never be used to refer to females who menstruate. It’s objectifying speech whether it’s used for all women or just those who bleed every month.
The very fact that I’m having to explain this is crazy.
Okay, that’s slightly different (though I could swear we already had this specific argument). If someone’s trying to craft a message specifically for those individual persons who have menstrual cycles, whether for advertising or for medical purposes, then maybe “those who have menstrual cycles” or similar would be better. Presumably there’s a non-objectifying way to refer to those individuals, cis or trans or other, who have menstrual cycles, in an inclusive and accurate way.
Use the word “female”. And if people object to “female”, remind them that “female” does not refer to gender but to biological sex.
The people who would object to “female” comprise less than 1% of the population. The people who object to “Menstruators” comprises a lot more than 1% of the population. It is only with trans issues that the majority’s feelings are being subjugated by the tiny minority’s. This really does need to stop.
The conclusion is clear. Men are worth saving; women not so much. I mean, it doesn’t even take an imagination at this point to see this. The writing is literally on the walls.
The sentence that @Kimstu came up with could have easily been written in a less dehumanizing way. That’s the beauty of language; we don’t have to restrict ourselves to terms that people find offensive. For some reason, this is well understood when it comes to the trans community, but folks act like women are undeserving of the same accommodation.
This is a revision I proposed that is superior to @Kimstu’s sentence. She never came back to address it.
The words “men” or “man” shows up three times in the span of a 3X5 poster. The disparity in the treatment of women and men’s health is bigger than the Gulf of Mexico.
This is why I feel like this is purposeful trolling. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I would rather be guilty of jumping to a reasonable but wrong conclusion, than be guilty of being played like a fool.