James Randi calls time on the $1 million dollar prize ...

[lekatt]

@InvisibleWombat

No. There’s no spectrum. Either God exists or not. Either telekinesis exists or it doesn’t. There has never been one single case where psychic ability was proven. There are six billion people on the planet. Doesn’t that tell you something?

Yes, there are six billion people, 70% of them believe psychics are the real thing.

On that single case of psychic ability – the placebo effect is mind over matter or psychic ability and everyone believes in the placebo effect.

[Jackmannii]

@lekatt

We are spiritual first and then decide to have a physical experience.

I have found that liquor is quicker.

[lekatt]

@Jackmannii

I have found that liquor is quicker.

Never touch the stuff myself, very bad for the liver, and dulls the brain.

[photopat]

@lekatt

Never touch the stuff myself, very bad for the liver, and dulls the brain.

:smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: Why does this have to be GD? So. Hard. To. Resist. :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack:

[Czarcasm]

@photopat

:smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: Why does this have to be GD? So. Hard. To. Resist. :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack:

Yes, it would be wrong to post a proper response in this forum.

[Defensive_Indifference]

@Czarcasm

Yes, it would be wrong to post a proper response in this forum.

I had to bite my fingers.

[Bryan_Ekers]

Oh, grow up, all of youse.
Of course, in future threads you can innocently ask lekatt how his liver is and your meaning will be clear to anyone who’s read this thread this far.

[Czarcasm]

One of the excuses I’ve heard over the years from people who claim psychic abilities but refuse to take the Challenge is that, because no one has ever won it, the only logical explanation is that it must be rigged. Their personal knowledge is that such abilities exist, so if all available evidence shows otherwise the evidence must be corrupted, not their personal knowledge. In cases like these, no amount of testing of any sort will suffice because any and all evidence taken from such tests will be tossed out sight unseen.

[askeptic]

@Czarcasm

One of the excuses I’ve heard over the years from people who claim psychic abilities but refuse to take the Challenge is that, because no one has ever won it, the only logical explanation is that it must be rigged. Their personal knowledge is that such abilities exist, so if all available evidence shows otherwise the evidence must be corrupted, not their personal knowledge. In cases like these, no amount of testing of any sort will suffice because any and all evidence taken from such tests will be tossed out sight unseen.

Hell, we’ve already seen that in this thread.
ETA: Maybe it was the other thread, but we have definitely seen it recently.
AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH stupid gerbils almost made me miss the edit window…

[lekatt]

Just some good debating material on Randi

DEBUNKER MATERIALIST CLOSED MINDED SKEPTIC The Miami materialist James Hamilton Zwinge Randy Clock began in April 2001!! Since then this materialist, closed minded skeptic debunker has been unable to rebut my objective evidence for the afterlife. My evidence is EXPRESSLY STATED - 23 areas of evidence for the existence of the afterlife.This closed minded skeptic materialist will be remembered by his own confession to scientist Dr Dennis Rawlings, “I will always have a way out” (of PAYING the promised reward) referring to his own alleged challenge to psychics.

AFTERLIFE: A LAWYER PRESENTS THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR THE AFTERLIFE | WHAT...

Million Dollar Challenge

[Czarcasm]

@lekatt

Just some good debating material on Randi

http://www.victorzammit.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3bGqFr9uc

Y’all remember how I told you how lekatt will enter a thread as if all the stuff he’s posted before was never debunked? He’s doing it here again. There is nothing you can tell him about Zammit’s fake challenge that he hasn’t been told before in other threads(do a search on Zammit), so I wouldn’t even bother if I were you.

[Contrapuntal]

@Czarcasm

Y’all remember how I told you how lekatt will enter a thread as if all the stuff he’s posted before was never debunked? He’s doing it here again. There is nothing you can tell him about Zammit’s fake challenge that he hasn’t been told before in other threads(do a search on Zammit), so I wouldn’t even bother if I were you.

I just watched the video. In it he says that he will give the url for his website so that we can learn the details, conditions, etc. of *his *Million Dollar Challenge. When you go to his website, and click on Million Dollar Challenge, it brings you back to the video.

I’d say his money’s safe.

[Czarcasm]

Here is a link to what has to be the most unfair and untestable “Challenge” one could possibly conceive of. The final nail in lekatt’s psychic coffin is that he thinks that the MDC is not fair and aboveboard, but that this is.

[Musicat]

@Contrapuntal

I’d say his [Zammit’s] money’s safe.

So is Randi’s, but not for the same reason.

[lekatt]

@Czarcasm

Y’all remember how I told you how lekatt will enter a thread as if all the stuff he’s posted before was never debunked? He’s doing it here again. There is nothing you can tell him about Zammit’s fake challenge that he hasn’t been told before in other threads(do a search on Zammit), so I wouldn’t even bother if I were you.

If he has been debunked you can tell us who won the million and show us the cite.

[Contrapuntal]

@Czarcasm

Here is a link to what has to be the most unfair and untestable “Challenge” one could possibly conceive of. The final nail in lekatt’s psychic coffin is that he thinks that the MDC is not fair and aboveboard, but that this is.

So, all the applicant has to do is rebut every piece of evidence here :

Because of the very high cash offer, the applicant has to rebut the substantive objective evidence presented in Victor Zammit’s A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife (http://www.victorzammit.com/book/ 4th version) (see chapters 3 to 25) which includes: Materialization, Electronic Voice Phenomena, Instrumental Transcommunication, the Scole Experiments, Professor Gary Schwartz’ Experiments, Mediumship - Mental, Physical and Direct Voice, Xenoglossy, the Cross-Correspondences, Proxy Sittings, Automatic Etheric Writing, Laboratory Experiments, Poltergeists, Apparitions together with the evidence provided by Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences which psychics claim are supportive of and are directly linked with the afterlife.

Further, the applicant has to rebut the technical afterlife evidence presented by the following: Arthur Findlay’s On the Edge of the Etheric, Sir William Crookes’ On Human Personality and Researches in the Phenomena of Spiritualism; Sir Oliver Lodge’s Raymond and Geraldine Cummins’ Swan on a Black Sea and the evidence provided by the Inner Peace Movement.

To this standard :

The applicant agrees that the level of proof required to rebut the evidence will be the Cartesian test, “beyond any doubt”. This means that there has to be absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of the Committee that the ‘evidence’ has been rebutted.

What’s so tough about that? Seems eminently fair.
Criminy!

[Contrapuntal]

@lekatt

If he has been debunked you can tell us who won the million and show us the cite.

Get real. How can anyone debunk every piece of “evidence” contained in that challenge, to a standard of absolute certainty as determined by committee?

The JREF Challenge tests one claim at a time, not thousands, to a standard that is expressly stated before the test begins. Please tell me honestly that you understand the difference.

[Musicat]

Zammit is, according to his site, “Retired Lawyer of the Supreme Court of New South Wales, and the High Court of Australia”. I guess the standard of proof isn’t very high in courts down under. (Forgive me, Princhester)

@Contrapuntal

What’s so tough about that? Seems eminently fair.

And so objective, too!

[Gary_Robson]

@lekatt

@InvisibleWombat

No. There’s no spectrum. Either God exists or not. Either telekinesis exists or it doesn’t. There has never been one single case where psychic ability was proven. There are six billion people on the planet. Doesn’t that tell you something?

Yes, there are six billion people, 70% of them believe psychics are the real thing.

ahem Cite?

Can it really be true that 70% of Earth’s population believes in psychics when there’s never been one single solitary case where psychic ability has been demonstrated under laboratory conditions? Ever? That would be pathetic. REALLY pathetic.

[lekatt]

@Contrapuntal

Get real. How can anyone debunk every piece of “evidence” contained in that challenge, to a standard of absolute certainty as determined by committee?

The JREF Challenge tests one claim at a time, not thousands, to a standard that is expressly stated before the test begins. Please tell me honestly that you understand the difference.

True, both tests are very complicated and required a lot of proof. Randi is the final say in his tests, but a committee would be in the other. I can’t say there is much difference between them. You and I both know neither of them will give the million away. Not in a thousand lifetimes. So they deserve each other.