James van Prarrrrrgh!

According to James Randi, here: “http://www.randi.org/jr/06-14-2000.html
(It is an aside buried in the other article.)

James van Praagh wants to do a “reading” with the Ramsey’s so he can summon Jon-Benet and determine the killer.

Which do you think is the case:

  1. JvP really thinks he can talk to Jon-Benet and get her to tell him who killed her.

  2. He knows that he is a good “cold-reader” and thinks that the parents know who the killer is and that a session will reveal it. (kind of a psychic-lie-detector)

  3. He is simply a jerk and is using the tragedy of others to further his carreer.

Well? Should we vote?

  1. He’s doing it as a publicity stunt.

Tracer, that kind of goes along with my #3, but I also think that #2 is possible, he feels that he can get to the truth through the parents.

Would anybody give a damn about Jon-Benet Ramsey if the pictures of her while she was alive weren’t so cute?

“Would anybody give a damn about Jon-Benet Ramsey if the pictures of her while she was alive weren’t so cute?”

–Cute?! I think the kid was terrifying! Those parents had her all tricked-up like Jim Henson’s Hooker Babies!

#3

And it’s disgusting…

But why should Van Praagh need to be involved? The Ramseys recently posted a sketch of the killer on their web page. The sketch was based off of a description given by the late psychic Dorothy Allison (before she was late, just in case there’s any doubt) on a TV show. Oh, and they also said they want the police to stop focusing on them. Well, duh!

I am surprised that psychic’s aren’t coming out of the woodwork, after all, what else is there to lose?

Well, if they are like most of the rest of the world and think the Ramseys did it (or at least one of 'em), they would be shown wrong if one or both Ramseys were ever convicted convincingly.

But you forget, David, no one remembers the incorrect predictions of a psychic – only the correct ones! When Kennedy was shot and Jeanne Dixon (I think it was Dixon) trumpeted her piece from several years earlier claiming that the president would die in office (“though not necessarily in his first term”), how many people remembered her prediction that Kennedy would lose the presidential election?

I knew somebody would point that out. :slight_smile:

But this one may be more obvious – maybe enough so that these folks don’t want to bother with it. The other problem is that they usually get involved in cases where it is likely that somebody will be convicted and they will get publicity. If there isn’t that likelihood here, it isn’t worth their time.

It’s hard to say what motivates “psychics”

you did, I think, miss one other possibility: That he has a delusional disorder, and actually THINKS he can call up the spirit of Jon-Benet. Hard for me to tell without examining him. Can anyone say Baker Act?

Muuuuahahahaha.

ehem.

I vote 3 or 4.

I’m sorry that JB’s dead and all, but they didn’t have enough convincing evidence the first time they went through all this. I’m seriously convinced the Boulder Police Dept is going to hound and harass them until they confess.

Besides, I don’t believe in Psychics anyway. :slight_smile:

In an earlier thread DavidB laid claim to psychic powers and posted evidence to back it up.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27152&pagenumber=1

I’m disturbed that he is so unwilling to grant that others may share his paranormal abilities, and dismayed at the selfishness that prevents him from disclosing the identity of Jon Benet’s true killer, which as a psychic he must surely know.

(lookimg for a triple woosh here)

I lean more towards ‘psychics’ having a bad case of cognitive dissonance as a lot of people have in varying degrees when holding a strong all-important belief system or ideology. Add in a Robin Williams look alike and Richard Simmon’s style sympathy and you’ve got a couple best-sellers ready for the presses.

I also don’t think Praagh is necessarily a bad guy, he is convincing and the person he probably convinces most is himself. I have seen an unedited tape of one of his readings and its more or less your typical leading questions and cold-reading fare with a quick dismissal of errors, except for a couple really distrubing non-leading hits.

Being a believer in ‘weak telepathy’ Praagh’s abilties are nothing more than a getting a slightly higher than random ‘hit’ that anyone could get, but mixed with his cold-reading skills, self-delusion, and image his hits are suddenly mysteriously coming from the dead. To ‘non-psychics’ these types of hits are shrugged off as coincidence or intuition, but to ‘psychics’ like Praagh its a career.

Until we have a clear understanding of consciousness and its potential we’ll always have charlatans in both the ‘psychic’ and ‘skeptic’ groups.

avalongod, I did not miss that possibility, read #1 again in the OP. I just did not speculate as to why he might believe he could talk to the dead.

I do not think he has a “delusional disorder.” While IANAPsychiatrist, it seems to me that by the time you get to real deep delusions, like hearing voices, you cannot function well in other areas. JvP seems to function real well, especially when it is time to cash his checks.

I do think that some “psychics” have fooled themselves into believing they have powers. I do not believe that Van Praagh is one of these. He has been soundly debunked and caught cheating too many times. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing, and exactly how big it’s making his checking account.

Here’s what I had to say to him in my media review column in April/May 1998:

"On a slightly less harmful, but no less bothersome, note, we have James Van Praagh, the guy who claims he can talk with the dead. (As a fellow REALL member noted, there is no doubt he can talk to the dead — the question is about whether they answer.) He has a best-selling book (Talking to Heaven) and is showing up on all sorts of TV shows with his claims. Recently he was on 20/20, and they nailed him.

For one thing, they had on Michael Shermer, of the Skeptics Society, who explained how Van Praagh does his cold readings and counted his “hits” and “misses” to help show how people tend to remember only the hits and forgive the misses while thinking Van Praagh gets it right on the nose. In one case, 20/20 showed how Van Praagh had to do quite a bit of fishing before determining how an older couple’s son had died. In another, they caught him in what looked like a lie to me: he claimed he had not asked a woman who she wanted to talk to, but in fact they had him on videotape during a break asking that very question of the woman; then, when they started up again, he seemed to be brilliant when he told the woman that her grandmother was there with them.

Even after all of this, Barbara Walters indicated that she believed it was real because he had given her a reading and seemed to know a lot about her father. First she claimed he couldn’t have known that, but then, when the reporter for this segment pointed out that he had found it out fairly easily, Walters agreed that her father had been somewhat well-known, but that didn’t really seem to phase her. Besides, she indicated that he makes people feel good, and that seemed to erase any problems in her mind. I must admit that I find it odd that a journalist like her would, to steal a quote from REALL member Rich Walker’s book, “prefer a warm lie to the cold truth.” At least co-host Hugh Downs put forth his more rational view that there is nothing to Van Praagh’s claims."

Almost forgot. I also did a review of his book, Reaching to Heaven for the State Journal-Register back in 1999, a little while after it came out. Here it is, copyright 1999 and all that:

James Van Praagh hit the big time, not to mention the best-seller lists, following his book, “Talking to Heaven.” His new book, “Reaching to Heaven” (Dutton, $22.95) aims to follow up with more of what his fans are apparently looking for.

And if those fans are looking for more New Age/spiritual mumbo jumbo than they can already get from daytime TV talk shows, this is the book for it. Van Praagh gives mention to almost everything—past lives, angels, auras, karma, chakras, alternative medicine, and astrology; he even approvingly mentions discredited claims like animal magnetism (as “discovered” by Franz Anton Mesmer) and Kirlian photography.

Admittedly, his message is hard to argue against. He says he wants to uplift the reader’s heart and give comfort and support. He discusses how people can guide their children and better live their lives by nurturing self-esteem, teaching and practicing self-respect and responsibility, being more patient, and bringing joy and love into our lives. Certainly these are all things people should strive for.

Also, the tale he brings is a reassuring one. Who doesn’t want to hear that we all live forever and that all our dreams will eventually come true? Most people already hold some version of this belief through their religion. But Van Praagh goes beyond most Western religions. If we make mistakes in this life, he says we can correct them in our next life, and we continue to do so until we reach a higher plane of spiritual awareness.

This is the heart of the message he preaches—and also the way he became famous, by supposedly talking to dead people and passing on their thoughts to those wanting to contact them.

Here is where the message gets muddied up with the method. Van Praagh describes a number of his readings or seances in the book. In every case, he always hit it on the nose, getting names, places, and incidents absolutely correct. Reality, though, may be somewhat different.

For example, when Van Praagh appeared on “20/20” last year, Michael Shermer, of the Skeptics Society, explained that Van Praagh appears to use a magician’s tool known as “cold reading” much of the time. As with other “psychics,” the participants tend to remember only the “hits” and forgive the “misses.”

In one case, “20/20” showed how Van Praagh had to do quite a bit of fishing before determining how an older couple’s son had died. In another, they caught him in a sticky situation when he thought the cameras were off. He claimed he had not asked a woman who she wanted to talk to, but the tape showed him asking that very question. After the break, he seemed to get a direct hit when he told the woman that her grandmother was there with her.

The reader won’t find that episode here. In fact, some of his discussions appear to give possible excuses should he fail to be accurate. For example, he says that he can often tell when somebody is a healer. But then he gives himself a huge target by noting that a healer can be anybody who is empathetic and helps others—not just doctors or nurses. He also claims that as some souls gain in spirituality, they progress to such a high level of being that it is difficult to get details from them during a séance. Thus, he has a built-in excuse if he should be unable to do a good reading for somebody.

But Van Praagh doesn’t like this type of analysis. At several points, he talks about how people need to avoid being rational. The incidents he discusses involving skeptics always end up having the (now former) skeptic turning into a true believer. One breaks down in tears during a reading while another comes back from the dead to apologize for not believing.

The reader may not be surprised by his opposition to rational analysis. For example, Van Praagh claims that spirits have told him Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) occurs because the souls inhabiting those babies’ bodies found life too difficult. It is therefore rather strange that SIDS has decreased so much in recent years, apparently due to people putting babies to sleep on their backs instead of their stomachs. If Van Praagh’s spirits were correct, such a change should have absolutely no effect on SIDS.

Additional analysis of Van Praagh’s claims turn up what appears to be a dark side to his otherwise spiritual message. He says that, in effect, we reap what we sow. If we harbor thoughts about illness, illness will come; if we think positively, we will be “reap harmony and abundance.” This seems to put the blame for disease on the person who is suffering from it. Thus, if you have cancer, it’s because you were harboring bad thoughts. He, of course, emphasizes the idea of having only good thoughts, but how would this make a person feel if they tried to live the best life they could and still fell prey to disease?

Van Praagh wants his readers to suspend the rational mind. But at the same time, his conclusion tells that same reader to “Seek truth even when many attempt to fill your head and your heart with falsehoods.” Any reader seeking the truth in “Reaching to Heaven” is unlikely to find it.