Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)

Should we continue this thread for all these hearings, or should we start a new “Sing-Along” thread for each hearing? What do the Dopers here think?

(I think it will be better to start a new thread for each hearing.)

I think a new thread for each gets messy. A lot of our comments will cover more than one day of hearings, and discussions of particular interviews and evidence will continue for a few days. We’ll end up with multiple threads all active and people posting randomly depending on which they see first.

I agree with this. Plus in terms of moderation, it will be a lot easier to keep track of just one thread instead of multiples.

I’m open to hearing why it would be better to have multiples, though. Threads. I mean.

Yeah, okay, I get this. TroutMan is right.

One thread to rule them all!

If it’s helpful, I’m happy to add a staff notice at the top of the beginning of discussion for each new hearing segment.

Maybe add a staff notice at the very top of the thread for each new hearing segment? So anyone can easily find the beginning of each? (Or, we could just search by the date.)
Kind of like putting a table of contents at the start.

Just how much work is @Aspenglow willing to put into this? Maybe summarize all the discussion, Cliffs-Notes style for us? :slight_smile:

I also vote for one thread!

LOL, not that much. :wink:

I was thinking a staff notice that says something like "Discussion for the hearing held on (date) begins here.) Or like that.

I plan to watch all of them, so should be able to add the staff notices reasonably timely.

No, no-- good grief! That’s too much work for @Aspenglow! Heck, we’d have to add several more zeroes to what we’re paying her now! Hehe. :money_mouth_face:

I agree with one continuous, ongoing thread.

That raise would be pretty sweet, though. :wink:

Here’s something that seems on point:

Nothing ambiguous at all about where they’re headed.

One thread does make sense given that discussion will inevitably use bits from different days in the same post. (If we quickly get over 1,000 posts, though, maybe break it into two pieces? Hearings 1, 2, and 3, and then another for 4, 5, and 6? A thought, anyway.)

Liz Cheney in her opening speech during H1 gave an overview of the topics. Here are the dates, times (there is some disagreement on those; we shall see) and what Cheney said:

H1 - June 9 - 8pm: Overview; live interviews with law enforcement officer and with the documentarian who covered Proud Boys actions on January 6.

H2 - June 13 - 10am: “In our second hearing, you will see that Donald Trump and his advisors knew that he had, in fact, lost the election. But, despite this, President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information – to convince huge portions of the U.S. population that fraud had stolen the election from him. … As you will see in great detail in these hearings, President Trump ignored the rulings of our nation’s courts, he ignored his own campaign leadership, his White House staff, many Republican state officials, he ignored the Department of Justice, and the Department of Homeland Security. President Trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of Americans that the election was corrupt and he was the true President. As you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on January 6th.”

H3 - June 15 - 10am: “In our third hearing, you will see that President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Attorney General of the United States so the U.S. Justice Department would spread his false stolen election claims. … you will hear first-hand how the senior leadership of the Department of Justice threatened to resign, how the White House Counsel threatened to resign, and how they confronted Donald Trump and Jeff Clark in the Oval Office. … [Jeff Clark, Rep. Scott Perry, and] other Republican congressmen also sought Presidential Pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.”

H4 - June 16 - 1pm: “In our fourth hearing, we will focus on President Trump’s efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th. … What President Trump demanded that Mike Pence do wasn’t just wrong, it was illegal and it was unconstitutional. You will hear this in great detail from the Vice President’s former General Counsel. … You will also hear about a lawyer named John Eastman. Mr. Eastman was deeply involved in President Trump’s plans. You will hear from former Fourth Circuit Federal Judge Michael Luttig, a highly respected leading conservative judge. … And you will hear that while Congress was under attack on January 6th and the hours following the violence, the Trump legal team in the Willard Hotel war room continued to work to halt the count of electoral votes.”

H5 - June 21 - 10am: " In our fifth hearing, you will see evidence that President Trump corruptly pressured state legislators and election officials to change election results. You will hear additional details about President Trump’s call to Georgia officials urging them to “find” 11,780 voted – votes that did not exist, and his efforts to get states to rescind certified electoral slates without factual basis and contrary to law. … You will hear new details about the Trump campaign and other Trump associates’ efforts to instruct Republican officials in multiple states to create intentionally false electoral slates…"

H6 - June 23 - 8pm: “In our final hearing, you will hear a moment-by-moment account of the hours-long attack from more than a half dozen White House staff, both live in the hearing room and via videotaped testimony. There is no doubt that President Trump was well aware of the violence as it developed. … Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the U.S. government to instruct that the Capitol be defended.”

As laid out by Cheney, the emphasis at every moment is to be specific about the laws Trump violated, and to provide evidence as to those violations.

(My bolding; to show emphasis on highlighting the legal implications of Trump’s conduct.)

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Cheney’s June 9 statement found at:

Thanks for laying that out, Sherrerd. One of the of the more enjoyable posts I’ve read here in a while.

From AP article:

I’m glad to see AS breathing down MG’s neck a little - why the hey not.
Oh the dabbing will be heavy this June 21.

I’ve seen conflicting schedules published for the time of the June 16 (Thursday) hearing. Somewhere I saw 1pm, but somewhere I saw 10am like all the others. So we need to be sure to doublecheck that.

ThelmaLouMember

Jun 11

Yup. I’m glad I’m 73 years old with no kids. Also no nieces or nephews.

Same here. Also glad I live in Massachusetts.

The Committee names the witnesses to appear at the Monday June 13 hearing:

49 and childless. But in semi-rural Kentucky, so I hear a lot of Trump supporters on a daily basis.

I remember that Stepien dude from the Christie Bridge-gate scandal. I’m not sure he’s trust worthy.

I have to work during the hearing today, but I’m recording it and will watch later. I hope the evidence starts to really pile up. The more people who see through the GOP/Trump bullshit, the better I will feel. Tamp down some of the “civil war” nonsense I’m seeing.

Here’s another article (this one at Washington Post) naming a bunch of witnesses to be called, with a sentence or two describing what each of them might talk about. However, this article does not say specifically which days each of them is expected to appear:

So true.

Bill Stepien has conveniently-timed “family emergency”.