JFK Assassination

It wasn’t all that long ago. I’m 56, not quite ready for the nursing home, and I was in third grade when Kennedy was killed.

Very much this! I remember the first time anyone exposed me to the “pristine bullet” idea, and the photo convinced me that the bullet could not have been one that had actually been fired.

Then someone else showed me the photos of the bullet from all sides…and the conspiracy fantasy evaporated into a fine mist of special selection of evidence. Damn bad sport, old chap!

Warren Commission Report exhibit #399.

Even I’m not quite sure what we’re looking at there. Is there a convenient label or caption for this shot?

Because the murderers of John Kennedy - Lyndon Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover, CIA - were running the non-investigation into his death, the “official” US government stance on the JFK assassination would the equivalent of an Al Capone report on his bootlegging, murders and income evasion.

Google “Warren Report” and “HSCA” to see what they said but it pretty much is not worth your eyeball time.

The Zapruder film was not available on a mass scale to the public until 1975 when Geraldo Rivera showed it on his national TV show. The FBI, Secret Service pretty much had it within one day. And the Zapruder film, alone and by itself, is prima facie evidence of a coup d’etat because it clearly shows a head kill shot from the front as expressed in the “back and to the left” head snap of JFK.

The government’s non-investigation says Oswald shot JFK in the head from exactly 88 yards behind him, which is, of course, ridiculous.

Google “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” for more information.

As has already been demonstrated, a “back and to the left” head snap indicates a shot from the rear, not from the front. The Zapruder film doesn’t prove what you say it proves.

It would really be more polite if you read the thread you’re posting to before posting something that a dozen or more people have already debunked.

Or you tell us about your massive pile of formal forensics credentials that would help us believe the impossible.

Self-serving, just like your post in Great DEbates about this. LInks to your blog.

Hang on to your jock strap. You’re about to go for a ride.

To deal with the witnesses, of course. :smiley:

In seriousness, it’s to wrap the outside of the melons. Melon rind doesn’t hold together as well as a human skull does, so without reinforcement you tend to get a shower of melon bits instead of an exit wound.

Bobby, we hardly knew ye.

:frowning:

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What’s the official US government stance on the JFK assassination?

Are they still saying there was a single shooter from the TSBD as the Warren Commission said?

Was the Zapruder film available to the public at the time of the Warren report? If so, how were they able to say that the shots came from behind when the fatal shot in the film shows that it originates from the front right.
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  1. The gov’t issued three reports. The FBI issued the first report less than one month after the shooting. This report was short and hurried. The investigation was not thorough.

The next report was that issued publicly by the Warren Commission around 1967. The WC agreed that Oswald was the lone shooter acting alone with 3 bullets fired, but the WC reached different conclusions from the FBI about the paths and sequence of the bullets.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations issued a third report in 1979. This report concluded that it was probable that four shots were fired, that Oswald was a shooter but did not act alone, and that there was probably a second shooter on the knoll who fired the third shot and missed. No specific accomplices were indicated. The report ruled out any direct connection to the Soviets or Cuba among others. I suppose that this report is the official stance in your terms of reference. The four bullet theory is very much disputed, however.

  1. Not according to the report issued by the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

  2. The Zapruder film was not shown to the public until the mid-70s on television several years after the initial Warren report. As others have said, the forces associated with jet effect and localized sonic boom account for the direction and movement of JFK’s body. The films lacks any solid evidence of a grassy knoll shooter.

Call me cynical, but there is a vast amount of information related to JFK-including the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro, Bobby Kennedy’s communications with the Mob, and J E Hoover’s bugging of ML King’s hotel rooms. If any of this came out in the assassination inquiry, it would not reflect well on JFK-the man was practically canonized a saint. The fact is, Kennedy’s family did not want any dirt to sully the family image, so the Warren Commission dealt with only the bare minimum of fact. How wold the JFK worship crowd like it if they knew that their hero actively worked with organized crime leaders? Would Sam Giancana visiting the White Hose go over well?
There is strong evidence that LBJ and the Kennedy family wanted the whole matter whitewashed and closed out quickly, lest the image of JFK be hurt.

Nm

So, what’s your theory? Did Castro take out JFK? Did the long arm of Castro use Oswald as a patsy or an assassin?

I have no theories. As I said, the Kennedy family and LBJ had a lot of skeletons in the closet-and nobody wanted them to come out. Attorney General Robert Kennedy was supposed to be fighting organized crime and corruption-how would it look if he (and the president) were consorting with Mob leaders? LBJ had his own dirt-he was knee deep in corruption as a senator, and wanted anything questionable swept away.

And that completely explains why several hundred books blackening JFK’s image have come out since, all totally separate from the hundreds of books that state directly his assassination was the result of a conspiracy.

Oh wait, it doesn’t. The Kennedy family has had zero ability and success in preventing the family’s image from being covered with mountains of dirt.

And yet, all the scientific evidence still insists that Oswald was the lone shooter.

How does that work for your theory? Did the government conspire to whitewash the assassination and totally by sheer pure accident hit the answer that was the exact factual truth? What a crazy world, huh?

A tiger got him.

Yes, that’s Bill Nye.

I miss Almost Live!

This makes no real sense at all. Do you really think that if solid evidence came to light that Castro or the mob was behind it, the men of the Commission would have whitewashed it to protect the dead man’s reputation?

Exercise for the reader: go look up the Commission members and study their biographies. List the ones you think would be prone to distorting truth and promoting a coverup. List any you think might have been less than of the highest possible honesty, integrity and duty to task.

Only by turning them into faceless drones, sock puppets of Our Real Masters, can you dismiss their findings. They were neither.

Just a question to any CT believers out there: What is the minimum number of people you believe would have had to have been involved to keep the conspiracy a secret for 50 years?

In two scenarios:

  1. Oswald was the only shooter, but was somehow paid off/involved with others.

  2. A grassy knoll shooting.