Didn’t any of you guys watch the TV special on it the other night?
Keep in mind that bullet entering the neck also hit the heavy rib bones and the lesser dense wrist bones of Connolly and remained intact. While the one entering the head fragmented to the degree no remnants remained or were found. Having struck the hard bones of the skull the bullet would have been damaged/disfigured and since it was a full metal jacket may have partially fragmented but not dissolved into thin air so to speak
One of my co-workers, who is into odd CTs (but otherwise a normal human being), recently regaled me with one I hadn’t heard before: that when the shooting started the Secret Service agent behind the limo (Clint Hill?) ran into the back of it by accident, and in bracing himself on the back of the car accidentally discharged his gun and that was the shot that hit Kennedy in the head.
I have no idea if this actually matches the film or other forensics (and frankly I’m just indulging idle curiosity here) but it’s less ridiculous than a lot of other CTs in that it doesn’t require premeditation or conspiracy, explains the reports of a fourth shot, solves the magic bullet problem and passes Hanlon’s Razor. Any subsequent government cover-up would be to hide embarrassment over fatal incompetence - can you imagine the public reaction at learning that the Secret Service accidentally killed the President? – and not a vast murder plot.
Does this actually work or are the angles and timings all wrong?
Yes. The first shot missed.
No, it is completely consistent when JFK is leaning forward. This not supposition, you can see the position of his head in the Zapruder film. When he was hit in the neck, he leaned forward. A shot to the back of the head would absolutely exit from the top of the head.
It certainly doesn’t match ear witnesses at all. Having an AR-15 go off right behind the limo would have been noticed by the occupants of the limo and quite a number of the parade watchers. The rifle certainly would sound different than the Carcano 6 floors above.
The scenario you describe above matches the book ‘Mortal Error’ which has been recently discussed in another JFK thread. For some reason someone made a documentary on this book that has been showing on cable recently. Lawsuits were filed
by the SS agent in question.
Thanks. The co-worker in question also believes in alien abductions and that the moon landing was faked (despite me sending him a link to Phil Plait’s pages on the subject and shouting at him until he read them) so I probably won’t raise this with him, but I had no idea how thoroughly this had been explored.
Did SS agents carry AR-15s back then? I always thought they had pistols. Huh.
And this is just plain wrong. The entry woundwas above the occipital protuberance, which about as high on the back of the head as you can get without being the top of the head. You are just plain wrong on this fact.
This is incorrect. The bullet that hit Connolly was not intact. It was partially flattened and had lost some material from the base.
This is also incorrect. Many small fragments of the head shot were found.
This has been my experience, also; the WONJCTs never believe in just one of the so-called real accounts, they believe in quite a few, if not all, of them.
Since these questions have been answered over and over and over and over and over again, why do you post these questions again? If we give you the widely known answers yet again, will you say “Thank you, now I know”, or will you keep asking these questions until people tell you what you want to hear?
If the latter, I for one would greatly appreciate it if you would quit insulting us with these supposed questions and just state your case. After a while, conspiracy theorists who are “just asking questions” really tick me off.
Naw, Czar, the CTer’s approach is to ask endless questions about each tiny detail until something is reached that can’t be answered - “So you DON’T know the exact ballistic characteristics of that copper alloy? Well, HUMPH, then!” - and hang an elaborate non-solution on the point.
Just for reference, guys, there is hardly a murder conviction in history that doesn’t have such “gaps” and questions about the details, because research, understanding and the granularity of evidence are all finite. If the chain of evidence holds together under reasonable cross-examination, it’s considered good enough to convict. The JFK evidence is many times more solid and verified that most chains of evidence that have sent people to the gas chamber, and has been relentlessly re-examined. Finding some microscopic gap of understanding or time - or worse, reintroducing known falsehoods and disproven claims, no matter from what new angle - does not invalidate the MASSIVE pile of evidence that says LHO did it with a rifle from the TBD window.
He never said he was “listening to answers”. 
I have a factual question about the JFK assasination that has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, speculation, conjecture, or assumptions.
I want to talk about a confirmed timeline, and Lee Harvey Oswald’s participation within this timeline.
We know for a fact that the shots rang out at 12:30pm central time at Dealy Plaza.
We also know for a fact that Oswald was arrested at the movie theater at 1:51pm central time.
And unless Lee Harvey Oswald was an interdimensional time traveler, he had to comply with the laws of physics in terms of his participation within this timeline.
So let’s go over the timeline:
According to the Warren Report, after Oswald shot JFK at 12:30, he did not leave the building right away.
He stopped off at the lunch room on one of the lower floors to sit down and drink a coke.
Then he left the building.
So we are already at the 15 minute mark of the timeline.
Then for an undetermined number of minutes, Oswald arrived on foot to a bus stop.
He rode the bus for an undetermined amount of time.
He then got off the bus, and for an undetermined amount of time before he flagged down a taxi cab.
Next, he took a cab to his home, which also took an undetermined amount of time.
And before Oswald arrived at the movie theater, he got into a fatal confrontation with Dallas policeman, J.D. Tippet.
Remember, Oswald was ARRESTED at the movie theater at 1:51pm central time.
He ARRIVED at the movie theater much earlier!
Most official estimates have his time of arrival at or before 1:30pm central time.
This estimate is based on the eyewitness testimony of the man at the ticket counter at the movie theater who saw Oswald sneak into the auditorium.
Now here is the question:
Do you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was able to get from the Texas School Book Depository building at 12:30pm central time to the movie theater at what could easily be before 1:30pm central time?
This is a factual question not for conspiracy theorists, but for current and retired police detectives, liscened private investigators, and amateur sleuths.
We have a confirmed timeline and a real person in it, and that’s it.
Now, according to the Warren Report, Oswald’s entire excursion on foot, that does not include his bus and taxi ride, was well over a mile.
And according to my research, Oswald would have had to have run a 4 minute mile to make it to the movie theater by 1:30pm central time.
Lee Harvey Oswald was not a world class track and feild athlete, so he could not run a 4 minute mile.
Before you give me your answers, I would like to propose an Idea about how all of this went down:
What if there was “another” Oswald?
If this was true, the real Oswald was the one who was arrested at the movie theater at 1;51pm central time.
The stand in, or body double could have been the person who was at the Texas School Book depository.
So, exactly when in this timeline that the real Oswald “took over” for the fake Oswald is unknown.
The role and purpose of this stand in was part of the overall frame operation to pin the assasination on the real Oswald.
In order for Lee Harvey Oswald to complete his entire journey wothin this timeline would require two of them, in my opinion.
These two statements appear to be in conflict.
In what possible way is this not a conspiracy theory?
If most official estimates put it at or before 1:30pm, when do the other ones place it? At or before 1:35pm? At or before 1:40pm? At or before 1:45pm?
And your citation for this taking 15 minutes is???
Please show your work. I am particularly interested in how you managed to add these to your timeline:
I personally think these need to be a lot more determined before you can make this claim:
Hey! How 'bout that! Somebody worked out the whole timeline in the past 60 years. What a relief, I was afraid this would never get worked out.