I thought you old folks preferred weak iced tea?
And I told you last time: if you fling your walker again at another random folk singer, I’m not going and getting it back this time.
mumbling Geezers these days, sheesh!
As has been pointed out, “that crowd” are not the only patients at WR. I’ll bet there are plenty of Vietnam vets still being treated there.
I don’t know about that. I went to the Warped Tour for the last time in 2002, right before the kids were born. It’s hard to take along infant twins when you want to see the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, so we don’t go to shows as often now.
I’m 37. Pretty old, sure, but not quite the level of geezerdom of our friend elucidator. The records he liked were on my parents’ stereo when I was a kid.
A lot of Vietnam vets don’t like Joan Baez for other reasons, you know.
I have a great deal of respect for Ms. Baez, both because of her willingness to criticize Hanoi during the Vietnam era and for her subsequent willingness to criticize her own treatment of soldiers during that time – this is not something she’s said for the first time in connection with this event. I don’t remotely agree with her politics, but she’s been remarkably and lauably consistent in her application of her non-violence views.
elucidator, I seem to recall a very public critique from Baez in the late 1970s about human rights abuses by the Khmer Rouge and a reaction by Jane Fonda accusing Baez of lying. No cite, just a recollection.
Baez is a woman who believes in something passionately and lives what she believes.
And she has an amazing vocal talent, to boot. I’d love to hear her in concert again.
Ok, well fine! You win. You’re pretty hip to our . . . tunes or whatever.
I suppose I didn’t mean you specifically, just the general Doper “you.”
Sorry for the confusion, my dear!
What, exactly, is “wrong” about that song?
Can see your point, never much cared for her, she’s got this odd little tremolo in her voice that sets my teeth on edge after a while. Emmylou, she ain’t.
Your parents were Satanists?
Y’know, about halfway through the thread I realized I had Joan Baez mixed up with Joni Mitchell. And I’m FORTY. Joni Mitchell is about 20 times better than Joan Baez. Dang, multiply my estimates of the numbers of old geezers who wanna hear her by .05
It was a bit of a “leap” for Joan Baez to record “The Night they Drove Old Dixie Down.” As someone who’d marched down south, many of her comrades viewed all Southerners as racist creeps.
Of course, some Southerners were. (Some still are.) But that song (written by a Canadian) showed compassion for those who Lost The War. And demonstrated that history is complicated.
Right, that’s a generalization, but if you’re the guy in charge of booking musical entertainment for a group of people - any group - you’re shooting at the biggest part of the demographics. If they’re booking Mellencamp because of his relevance, and FTR, I LIKE Mellencamp - and they want to find complimentary acts, it stands to reason that they think they’re looking at an age group that can relate to him, or the somewhat younger crowd that knows him through his Farm-Aid stuff, or that he’s still putting out some popular CD’s.
She doesn’t fit that.
And as much as I respect some of the posters here that love her, I maintain her sucky-ness. (IMHO)
Baez says that she was told four days beforehand that she would not be performing. The military spokesman says that they were told about her inclusion only two days before the performance. One of these statements can’t be true.
The Mellencamp camp says they informed the military about Baez’s appearance back in March. Baez had her letter published on Wednesday, two days before the performance, which means that she had to have written her letter at least three days before the performance. The military spokesman says that Baez was rejected due to contractual issues, Mellencamp says that he was told, “She can’t fit here, period.”
Which story seems more fishy to you?
So the answer, then, is “nothing,” right?
I know nothing about Mellencamp’s personal honesty, but after the last four years I am much readier to believe him than a military spokesman. Heck, I’m readier to believe the wino who claims to be king of France than a military spokesman.
Oh, it’s probably a miscommunication of some sort. This isn’t the sort of thing to conspire over.
I still don’t know what age group that would be though. There have been only ~24,000 wounded in Iraq, while there were ~150,000 wounded in Vietnam. Plus, as many as 4 million WWII vets are still alive, and in the end stages of life, requiring medical care; and some of them are cared for at WR. Before I accept your casual estimate on the demographics at WR, I’d like to see some statistics.
Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. We are THE BOOMERS. We are eternally hip. We are not like our parents! How about showing some respect for your elders!!
I’m gonna sneak up on one of the little punks! I’m a stealth boomer, after all!
Wait, John, how old are you? For some reason I have the idea that you’re my age (which is, ulp, 40). I was born in 1966. I ain’t no goddam baby boomer.