All punishment is not equal. a fine and someone breaking your leg are both punishment. Surely then speeders deserve to have their legs crippled, yea?
If you’re not a complete savage piece of shit you’ll recognize punishments are not equal. You seem to be stipulating being accused is a crime worthy of being subjected the life a refugee, complete with malnourishment. Why is that?
Further as Frank said even the guilty are entitled to humane treatment.
Depends what they were feeding them. If it’s healthy food than that’s okay, but if it’s mcdoubles and candy, then yea it’s abuse.
No, I’m asking are these prisoners are actually being deprived? Are they physically suffering?
What does compassion have to do with it? If they were being beaten then I’d want it stopped. But, all that is happening is that they don’t get a thrilling choice of food and have to listen to classical music along with the occasional Frank Sinatra. Oh, horror!
Tents in the parking lot? Well THAT sounds like a great idea!
Why am I not surprised?
[sub]Actually, I sent Manson some cookies this year for Xmas, thankyouverymuch. He said they were delicious[/sub]
Hmm… They call it The County JAIL here folks, and while there are quite a few who are awaiting trial, a quick perusal of the inmates shows at least a few of the 202 listed as of today are there serving out sentences.
Then there’s that rat bastard, Do, Not Use. Fucking Monster. 
Oh, this is a bit entertaining. Looking at the Hennepin County Jail;
Guy named Stiffarm. Domestic Assault. How did she not see that coming?
A guy named Crook. Of course.
14 cents a meal-moldy bologna and the cheapest bread possible. I suggest you get a fucking sense of perspective, because this has fuck-all to do with “a thrilling choice of food”. Do you honestly believe that these prisoners, some of whom haven’t even been convicted yet, are getting the minimum nutritional requirement? Do you honestly believe that this is a healthy diet?
Yes. They’re being fed spoiled food and being deprived of adequate medical care. The problem isn’t that the food is boring or whatever, or that they have to listen to classical music.
I agree that fourteen cents per meal sounds low, but I’d like a bit more proof than simply that number before I’d agree that the food is moldy, for instance.
It’s possible that inmate labor reduces the cost of the food, for instance. I don’t say you’re wrong, but neither do I accept your definitive, Diogenes-like declaration of correctness. What is the calorie count of the meal being served, and does it in fact contained spoiled or moldy items?
Here’s the actual 9th circuit ruling:
And that’s what you call a cite!
Thanks – right on point.
Not disputing the prisoner’s testimony, but I would rather have the results of a state health department inspection. Surely the county’s facility would fall under the same regulations and have to be inspected just like other facilities / restaurants that serve food.
Well, a ruling of the court put most of those people into jail, some of them innocent, and now a ruling of the court says the food is ‘inedible’. Why do I think that the people on the court probably have names like Czarcasm and elucidator? They claim that the food is inedible, yet where is the evidence that people are suffering because of it? I can go down to the fridge in my house and find an old piece of lettuce that we can all declare inedible, yet if no one eats it it doesn’t really matter.
Are people starving? Are people malnourished? Prove that and I’ll gladly concede the point.
What would you accept as irrefutable proof that prisoners are malnourished?
I guess that I would consider the lawsuits to be proof there is a problem. I can’t for the life of me name any other county jails that are being sued and complained about like this. Well, other than Terry Nichols and a couple of other suit happy losers.
As flickster suggested. Are there not government bodies that have oversight? It seems a pretty lax way to run a government without any form of actual governance. If he is negligent then it should have been recognized internally before it reached the courts and dealt with.
Well, there’s the courts. Courts are pretty generally acknowledged to have oversight over jail and prison conditions.
Prisoners sue because they can. Maybe they are correct, maybe they are not. Where is the evidence of malnutrition? I see lots of bitching about hot meals in the latter link, though. Oh No!
Again, speaking from personal experience in this area, there’s a lot more to running a prison than being “tough”.
For one thing, consider that the county is responsible for the medical care of any people it’s holding in custody. So which is a better use of public money - feeding prisoners cheap but nutritious food or treating the health problems that arise from inadequate diets?
Yeah, but they are all named Czarcasm and elucidator.
Yes, and in Maricopa County, the court decided that the prisoners are correct.
I’ll note that there is an actual prison guard posting in this thread, and he is–albeit with very carefully worded language–not defending Arapaio.