It came as soon as he was mentioned commonly on national news. Before that he was just a Circuit court judge. Not that that is a unimportant position by any means, but it doesnt get the national media attention that a SCOTUS seat does.
OTOH, Biden was national news since 2008.
What parts of “Polygraphs are worthless” and “implant[ed] false memory” are unbelievable?
I’ll give you a pass on “false memory” - that’s trickier, and unnecessary because [del]lying[/del] willing misdirection is straightforward, with or without Russian handlers but definitely with Trampist minions involved. Tramp and his owner are scared shitless of Biden and thus attack. Forget that Tramp is a vile rapist* scumbag - look at Biden!
That would be the “implanted false memory” part.
Agreed. I was attempting to point out how extremely unlikely it is that Obama’s people would have overlooked an accuser who had a credible story of assault against Biden.
Yes, in this as in many other points, the Ford/Kavanaugh issue fails as a reasonable comparison for the Reade/Biden issue.
Is it typical that the months or decades later accuser only gets the courage to speak fully when seeing that the alleged perpetrator is getting more powerful?
Even if you do have some subtle evidence there, I don’t think it would apply to a public figure, like Biden, who has known, and even supervised, directly or indirectly, hundreds of women. The ratio of true to untrue accusations could, in general, be extremely high, and yet the chances of one or two people coming forward with a mistaken story, when someone they knows is at the cusp of supreme achievement, could also be quite high.
I think there is no chance that Pete Buttigieg, or husband, is a child abuser. But I predict that if Pete every gets close to the presidency, an adult man is going to say falsely that he seduced them as a minor. It’s not because stories like that are always lies. It’s because the story fits the narrative of the worse thing you could say about a gay person. And that will feed someone’s grandiosity impulse.
As for the Biden case, after reading the tic toc thing, I think the fair thing is to disregard unproven character assassination.
In an effort to disqualify Kavanaugh the Democrats hitched their cart to the sex accusation donkey and now it’s running them off the path.
From my view the Kavanaugh and Biden accusations are similar with equal probability. Ford seemed more reliable than Reade but then Biden does have the shaky history of over-touching. It is highly unlikely that a 25+ year-old accusation is going to be proven one way or the other so it just comes down to he/she said.
Both sides are showering themselves in hypocrisy. Democrats–hoping that the accusation is untrue–are putting Reade’s testimony through the ringer and using the same rationalizations they criticized Republicans for. I’ll give some credit (for now) to Republicans: I haven’t heard many, if any, GOP politicians call out Biden. I suppose the Dope will set me straight if they have.
To me the underlying problem is that the Democrats tried too hard to get rid of a SCOTUS candidate that they disliked using a weakly supported accusation. If they had hard evidence then absolutely go after him but now they look stupid and hypocritical.
But sadly being a hypocrite is par for politics.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09658211.2016.1260747
Implanting false memories is known, especially if what you are doing is just trying to change a real memory. Does that mean I think Reades memories have been tampered with? No, i think she is lying. But certainly such a thing is possible.
And even if the false memory isnt deliberately implanted, look at out very own “alternate ending to Big” thread where dozens of posters remember something that never happened.
Democrats wanted to sink Kavanaugh. But what they asked for was a real and thorough investigation. That didn’t happen, and it was entirely appropriate to ask for it.
And a real and thorough investigation is appropriate here also.
You’ve used this argument often, and it remains a poor one. Biden’s “line” is not even remotely odd.
Biden, like any American with basic knowledge of our Constitution and legal system, acknowledges that Reade, like any other person, has a right to say whatever she wishes (outside the normal exceptions such as yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater). In our system, a person may say whatever they wish about another person.
The person or persons about whom something is said, then have their own right to bring suit for slander or libel (as the case may be).
Acknowledging a legal-and-moral right to speak is not the same thing as placing a seal of approval on what is said.
“She has a right to say it” is not within miles of what you imply it is. It is not ‘I’m not opposing her claim.’ It is not ‘I agree with what she’s said.’ It is not ‘She’s telling the truth.’
What it is, is “she has a right to say” whatever she wants to say. Then Biden, in turn, has and can exercise his right to hold her accountable for her false claim. So far he’s been doing that by asserting that her claim is false. No doubt legal action against Reade has been discussed within the campaign; possibly it’s been rejected so far because the spectacle of taking a mentally-ill woman to court would be unpleasant and off-putting. The campaign may feel that denials, and the resulting impact on Reade’s reputation, are sufficient to get the point across.
But I don’t think anyone lacking a crystal ball can be sure that Reade is free and clear of potential legal consequences for her choice to say these things. (That doesn’t change the fact that she, as Biden notes, has the right to say what she wants to say.)
How can you have a ‘thorough investigation’ of an alleged assault that occurred on a non-specific date in a non-specific location, with no physical evidence or witnesses. True or false, this is a pointless exercise.
They did it:
Passage of time makes a fair investigation increasing impossible. So I support statutes of limitations. Once you’ve carefully checked them, if they apply, the thorough investigation is complete.
There was good reason to oppose Kavanaugh’s nomination. I didn’t think impossible to file criminal charges (of teenage conduct!) were among them.
Why don’t you hear so much about hypocrisy of caring less about the charge of Trump committing a rape in Burgdorf’s dressing room? Are they soundproof? (Maybe, it’s a very expensive place that surely has rearranged spaces over the decades.) But that’s also a 20+ year after accusation. Bergdorf Goodman kept no security footage that would prove or disprove Carroll’s story.
The public record tells us what we need to know about these men, good and, often, bad. Hopeless unprovable stale charges do not.
In the Biden case, if only due to the bad economy, he’ll probably be the next President, while more and more embarrassments from Reade’s past trickle out. These stale charges don’t empower women or stop powerful political men.
We’ve all heard that Trump is going to come out swinging dirty, and this is just the first salvo. One of his cronies is even representing her. Coaching her too? Expect worse to come from Desperate Donald.
Yep. There can be no real investigation, there is no evidence. And altho I disliked Kavanagh the evidence against him was weak and the memories too old.
Bill Maher nails it in his latest “New Rules” rant:
"Don't know. Never will. Don't care." Word.And “why now”, indeed. Why not before Super Tuesday, or after the November election? Could it have something to do with Putin? After all, in a now-deleted post, Bill notes that Reade said “I love Russia with all my heart…[Vladimir Putin] is intoxicating to American women.” And I’m sure Putin would much rather this allegation be made after Biden has the nomination sewn up, but before he beats Trump in the general. :dubious:
Tara with Megyn Kelly: She looks and sounds a lot more believable than him… No dodging… no him hawing… no deer in the headlights look.
How can we best explain to daughters that we “Believe Every Woman” … except THIS ONE?
Here’s the thing
We are going into the dirtiest political campaign ever. As the presumptive nominee, Biden is going to be hit with one scandal or accusation after another pretty much constantly for the next 6 months. They’re going to paint a picture of him that makes Caligula look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. This is only the beginning.
The opposition is going to spare no expense in order to ratfuck him to death. I fully expect the Ukraine stuff to come rushing back and I suspect Trump really will succeed in getting Hunter investigated and probably arrested. And a couple of more “abusers” will show up. And they’ll find “corruption” inside every official action he took as President.
From now until November, I’m ignoring all of it and defending the Democratic candidate like Trump supporters defend Trump.
If there’s anything to any of it, he’ll probably have a strong VP and we can look into it next year.
For me, it’s all about policy and not people and personality, anyway . I’m selecting the person whose policy positions are best for the nation. I’m not electing a husband, best friend, mentor or role-model.
I think the Democrats need to take a lesson from the Republicans, who learned that being an amoral whoremonger doesn’t prevent someone from effectively selling policy positions.
I do think Biden is innocent of this accusation, but I don’t know that my position would change if I didn’t, especially in the absence of any alternative path to take back our nation.
I’m really tired of watching the Democrats trying desperately to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If I was a Trump supporter I’d be pretty much laughing my ass off 24/7. Polling aside, I think the Dems are going to manage to lose this one. I honestly think the only choice is between losing with honesty and integrity or gaslighting our detractors and fighting really dirty and winning. For example, we need to be promoting the narrative that insists we wouldn’t have had a lockdown at all if Trump hadn’t dropped the ball, and pushing it hard. It scares me that no one has the balls to do this. We need a Roger Stone and a Karl Rove.
And, for what it’s worth - I believe Trump is innocent of one and a half of the many allegations that were made about him. I think the Katie Johnson allegation - the 13 year old that alleged a brutal rape and beating by Trump at Epstein’s house - is completely non-credible. There is another allegation where I believe the physical act probably happened but I think it was consensual.
This is a straw-man argument. And coming from an apparent supporter of Trump, it’s not credible that you actually care about accusations of sexual assault.
That’ll earn you a warning, andy. Phrase it however you like that’s still an accusation of lying. Don’t do it again.
Her story has been “This happened… I mean that happened… by which I mean this other things happened. But you know it’s true because I reported it… well, not really reported it… and when I say ‘it’ I don’t mean that I reported ‘it’… but my family and friends will back me up… by the second or third time you ask them…”
But I don’t doubt that this interview looks better if this is the first you’ve actually learned about the story so far.
It’s funny how little we hear about slut-shaming from the woke folk now, and how little we hear from them about treating accusers badly when Reade gets called a nut and a floozy and politically motivated and a liar.
Also funny how the response to this -
is to accuse somebody else of not caring about sexual assault.
Funny. Not ha-ha funny, but funny.
Regards,
Shodan