Joe Biden's in

[CaptMurdock]

@Snowboarder_Bo

He starts his campaign by making it about Trump’s supporters and not about Trump; ask Mrs. Clinton how well that worked for her.

That’s one of the reasons it was stupid: it sets this as us-vs-them instead of as us-vs-Trump. He’s declared war on at least 40% of Americans. That’s not what this country needs and IMO it isn’t what will stop Trump from keeping the presidency.

Who declared war on who? I don’t recall the LGBT’s declaring war on straight people; quite the reverse. I don’t recall immigrants (legal and otherwise) declaring war on native-borns; again,the other way around. I don’t recall women in favor of reproductive rights declaring war on those who decided women should be Brood Mares for the State. I don’t recall American Muslims declaring war on evangelical Christians.

War’s already been declared. Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Trump’s not the disease, he’s a symptom.

If Biden’s statement is too inflammatory for the Democratic Party to handle, the primaries will show that.

[wolfpup]

@Snowboarder_Bo

He starts his campaign by making it about Trump’s supporters and not about Trump; ask Mrs. Clinton how well that worked for her.

That’s one of the reasons it was stupid: it sets this as us-vs-them instead of as us-vs-Trump. He’s declared war on at least 40% of Americans. That’s not what this country needs and IMO it isn’t what will stop Trump from keeping the presidency.

I don’t see an attack on Trump supporters in that statement. Hillary put a label on them, “basket of deplorables”. Biden is attacking Trump. Any other interpretation is a ridiculously fanciful stretch. The “we” in “that’s not who we are” seems to me to mean all Americans.

[choie]

I can’t for the life of me find anything wrong with what Biden said. He is telling the absolute truth, and we already know that Trump owns the 35% of the absolute fucking racist xenophobic misogynistic assholes who would get huffy about hearing just what scum they are.

Good for him for speaking the truth. Biden is famously friendly with mainstream Republicans, so I don’t see him alienating the more traditional conservatives who have a few working braincells and no longer want to be associated with this corrupt, ignorant, narcissistic pathological liar who’s ripped the heart out of what used to be their party…

@aceplace57

Biden, who claimed that the bike could use a new paint job, said that with Bernie Sanders pulling his same old “commie shit” and Elizabeth Warren “totally tanking” in the polls, there was an opening for a Democrat who could ride in on 900 pounds of all-American steel and speak to the middle class.

I’m falling in love already. This is the straight taking attitude the country needs right now. It feels good hearing someone speak for me and my values.

WTF… Cite please? Is this from the Onion, or one of your usual oh-so-trusty resources, aka the Daily Mail or NY Post quotes? Because if Biden really said that, he’s gone bonkers and has become Trump Lite, and fuck him.

[Happy_Lendervedder]

@choie

I can’t for the life of me find anything wrong with what Biden said. He is telling the absolute truth, and we already know that Trump owns the 35% of the absolute fucking racist xenophobic misogynistic assholes who would get huffy about hearing just what scum they are.

Good for him for speaking the truth. Biden is famously friendly with mainstream Republicans, so I don’t see him alienating the more traditional conservatives who have a few working braincells and no longer want to be associated with this corrupt, ignorant, narcissistic pathological liar who’s ripped the heart out of what used to be their party…

WTF… Cite please? Is this from the Onion, or one of your usual oh-so-trusty resources, aka the Daily Mail or NY Post quotes? Because if Biden really said that, he’s gone bonkers and has become Trump Lite, and fuck him.

Click the link in my OP.

[aceplace57]

It’s from the OP’s link.

Biden is reaching out to the traditional middle class core of the Democratic party. The people that rebelled against Hillary.

I hope Biden can pull together the Democratic party base that I long admired.

The 76-year-old is in a strong position in national polls and early voting states. He will run as a centrist Obama-Biden Democrat anchored by strong union support.

He will lambaste Trump as a phony populist and a friend of Wall Street CEOs who hit the jackpot with the tax overhaul law.

Biden’s hopes may depend on the idea that working class, union Democrats and moderates in the suburbs remain the backbone of the party. Though he will also have to appeal to radical young progressives electrified by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York.

[aceplace57]

Link

Joe Biden fights for old soul of Democratic Party with 2020 campaign launch |...

[choie]

@Happy_Lendervedder

Click the link in my OP.

Yeah ,I just did a search for the quote and of course it’s the Onion but also some other source that’s either parody or they took it as legitimate.

TBH I wish you hadn’t linked to satire in the opening post, Happy. I mean, the article’s funny, but people like aceplace57 might think this was a legit quote. (It’s kinda hard to tell if he was fooled or not.)

Look, we’re gonna be barraged with lies and Russian bots and alt-right nasty bullshit that tries to pit Dems against each other. So I just hope we focus on truth before veering off into fun stuff like the Onion.

The quote you posted, aceplace57, slurring Sanders, was fake. You do realize that, right? It’s super hard to tell with you because you seem to treat the Mail and New York Post as legitimate news sources.

[aceplace57]

I hoped it was true. I didn’t see the Onion in the link until after I posted. I’m very familiar with The Onion and regret not seeing that in the link.

We need a straight talking candidate. Maybe not that blunt, but someone that talks to the middle class.

CNN’s analysis does give me hope that Biden will be a centrist. That’s who can beat Trump.

[octopus]

@Velocity

I still don’t understand the appeal of Biden and how he jumps to 1# in mere hours. He is an old white man and a throwback to the 1980s-1990s instead of the 2020s. What is generating the fireworks exactly?

Why should his age, race, or gender/sex/?, be a factor at all?

[octopus]

@aceplace57

I hoped it was true. I didn’t see the Onion in the link until after I posted. I’m very familiar with The Onion and regret not seeing that in the link.

We need a straight talking candidate. Maybe not that blunt, but someone that talks to the middle class.

CNN’s analysis does give me hope that Biden will be a centrist. That’s who can beat Trump.

C’mon now, the ‘clam magnet’ line should have been a giveaway regardless of the link.

[choie]

Agreed with octopus (oh God, three words I wouldn’t have thought I’d utter). Plus if Biden is a throwback to anything, it’ll be the Obama presidency, and there’s a real push of nostalgia for that. Plus, the younger folks actually remember that era, which is not true of the '88-92 era.

All I care about with Biden is: Does he have the energy/stamina? Does he sound articulate (he usually does, gaffes not withstanding)? Does he tell the truth? Does his sincerity and compassion shine through? Does he have thoughts on progressive issues as well as centrist ones? Can he tie both wings of the party together?

Of course Trump’s already calling him “Sleepy Joe,” which makes no fucking sense, especially coming from a guy who spends 8 or 9 hours on the toilet watching TV rather than doing any, like, presidenting. Also golfing and spending so much time at Mar-a-Lago.

[aceplace57]

@octopus

C’mon now, the ‘clam magnet’ line should have been a giveaway regardless of the link.

I wasn’t looking for it. I never expected a Election thread announcing a major candidacy to link The Onion in the OP. Who does that?

[Covfefe]

@aceplace57

Biden needs to run as his own man. Quit apologizing for hugging people.

Run on his excellent record and stick to it. Don’t apologize or show any weakness. Show some backbone and Resiliency.

That’s so important. Trump never apologizes or kisses anyone’s ass.

Biden has to have that same take it or leave it attitude.

Have you heard him lately? Clearly he cares whether he offends people. That might not be so bad if he were always precise with what comes out of his mouth. Prepare your hopes for disappointment. He may have a chance but it will be ugly.

[Airbeck]

@Covfefe

Have you heard him lately? Clearly he cares whether he offends people. That might not be so bad if he were always precise with what comes out of his mouth. Prepare your hopes for disappointment. He may have a chance but it will be ugly.

There is virtually no way for me to be more disappointed than I have been since Nov. 2016. And there is almost nothing that can be uglier than what’s currently occupying the White House.

[Bone]

It’s probably me, but I don’t really understand Biden’s appeal. He seems very bland. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him drop out by the 3rd or 4th primary/caucus.

[Airbeck]

I think after the last 3 years bland might actually be pretty appealing.

A lot of people are tired as hell of the reality TV presidency.

[Richard_Parker]

Dispatch from the ultra-far-left:

A candidate who opposedschool integration is not the right candidate for 2019.

[Happy_Lendervedder]

@aceplace57

I wasn’t looking for it. I never expected a Election thread announcing a major candidacy to link The Onion in the OP. Who does that?

FFS, man, it’s 2019. If you read that article, even just skimmed it, and thought it was a legit article, I don’t even know where to begin. I honestly thought we were a sophisticated enough bunch of humans here to recognize The Onion, but now I know better.

[Whack-a-Mole]

@aceplace57

Run on his excellent record and stick to it.

His record sucks.

[Whack-a-Mole]

@Richard_Parker

Dispatch from the ultra-far-left:

A candidate who opposedschool integration is not the right candidate for 2019.

Do you think Politico is an ultra-far-left news source?

And you do realize that article is from 2015 right?