Hey everyone new poster here. I honestly think this is the campaign slogan the DNC should run with. Maybe add “at least he isn’t the other guy”. How in the world people were convinced that a bumbling mediocrity like Joe Biden, who can’t keep his hands off little girls, has pissed off every important Democratic constituency, can’t speak a coherent sentence, and was chosen by Obama as VP precisely because he was a relatively conservative Democrat, is the “electable” candidate speaks loudly to the sheep mentality of a large part of the Democratic electorate. If I honestly thought their “electable” candidates were actually electable then I might go along with this mentality. But “electablitiy” seems to boil down to being a militaristic corporate bootlicker who won’t rock the boat and I really don’t think that’s what a majority of Americans are looking for! Every four years I practically beg people not to let the powers that be turn their brains to mush and every four years I see a somewhat glazed-eye look that tries to tell me that the corporate and DNC anointed “moderate” is the electable one more or less because that’s what they’re told. Critical thinking skills seem to be in short supply these days. One has to go back 50 years for the liberal boogeyman loser but the safe moderate loser happens all the time.
…So you’ll be voting for Trump, then?
Da, preach it comrade! We of the democrat party must do better in choosing party leader.
Please link to previous posts of you practically begging people.
Of course not. I live in a safe state so I have the freedom to vote my conscience by either voting Green or writing in Bernie. If I lived in a swing state I would vote for Biden. But I wouldn’t knock on any doors for him, I wouldn’t passionately try to get others to vote for him, and I certainly won’t send him any money. He gets enough from the corporations that have made him their stooge.
Um did you see the “new poster here” part? I don’t live on the internet I actually talk to people in person.
The truth of the matter which should be obvious to anyone paying attention is that the establishment democrats would rather lose with Biden than win with Bernie (or any real progressive). Many of them know they would be shown the door when the party of FDR rises again.
Until we get ranked choice voting this is what you get. Voters afraid of voting for their first choice because they sense that someone else they could at least stomach stands a better chance of winning in the general election.
Be that as it may, Sanders came with his own baggage. If I’d been a ranked choice voter in the Dem primaries I’d have cast Liz Warren#1, Bernie Sanders #2, probably Amy Klobuchar #3.
“Of course I would vote for Biden if I wasn’t in a safe state. But I am, so instead I’ll run around trying to convince everyone I can reach that Biden is a sack of shit who nobody should vote for.”
Uh huh.
I never said nobody should vote for him, if I lived in a swing state I would hold my nose and do just that. But when someone is a cheerleader for the Iraq War, in the pocket of credit card companies, and kicks off his campaign in the home of a Comcast exec (I could go on and on - and will if need be) then “sack of shit” might be not far off the mark. My argument is that he’s a terrible candidate that I expect to lose, just as I expected Hillary and Kerry to lose. I was belittled constantly in 2016 for sticking to that and told over and over that the my detractors would have the last laugh. I admitted she might win the popular vote but was almost sure to lose the electoral college (it was much closer than I expected). We all know how that turned out… People need something to vote for to show up at the polls, not just something to vote against.
Or maybe most of them can read polls and understand demographics, and would prefer to win with Biden rather than lose with Bernie, even if Bernie is their ideological preference.
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But has he stopped beating his wife? And why did this “militaristic” vote against the 1991 war? Was he encouraging Saddam to invade Saudi because he wanted an even bigger war?
I do agree with your comment about thinking; but my advice is to defer the effort of thinking: First improve your fact-finding.
This source ranks Biden as more liberal than about 3/4 of Senators during his terms in the Senate. Here’s a source that gives a variety of ratings:
If he was a “corporate bootlicker” somewhat forgot to tell the corporate-bootlicking organizations that rank politicians:
Do the following ratings look like those of a man out to destroy SocSec?
Here are some of his Civil Rights ratings:
So you think the “establishment democrats” opposed Sanders out of fear he would defeat Trump? And are happy with Biden, thinking it may mean Trump victory? It sounds like acceptance of Trump victory is one thing you and the “establishment” have in common.
I support progressive causes in general and I would like to see Democrats embracing more progressive policies. However, as a Canadian I have noticed that in America, “socialism” is a very dirty, scary word. I have also noticed that Republicans do not hesitate to take advantage of this fear by labeling everything in the Democratic platform one kind of socialism or another. They have convinced enough people that if the US embraces any progressive causes the country instantly turns into Venezuela. The United States of America is not ready for a progressive candidate yet. The closest you will get is someone like Trump, whose idea of “progressive” is to steal anything not nailed down and burn the rest.
Speaking of the burn, did you see what happened with Bernie? He won a primary or two and this funny math started appearing. Pundits said “well, if you combine all the other candidates together, Bernie actually lost.” And what happened a week later? All the other candidates did combine (by dropping out) and Bernie lost. It should not have been a surprise that the anti-establishment guy got stomped out by the establishment. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. But I see Bernie and Biden making nice and I hope that any bad blood between their camps can be set aside for now because defeating Trump is the only thing that should matter. While it may be true that Biden won’t be the progressive champion America needs, he will restore sanity to a government where it is currently in very short supply. I think that is literally the most you can hope for right now.
Biden’s weakness as a candidate has absolutely nothing to do with his policies - nothing at all to do with his policies - it’s everything to do with his total lack of personal charisma. Most Americans don’t give a flying fuck what the guy’s policies are.
How did those polls work out in 2016?
You joined this forum on 4/14/20 - in other words, literally just yesterday as I write this - so far the only thing you have done is claim to be a Democrat and then blast the leading candidate as a loser and unelectable. Uh huh.
How much are the Republicans paying you to post here?
Sure, insisting on in-person voting during a global pandemic while shutting down most polling places in urban places looked like a good prospect for your team to win, but it turns out a crapload of Democrats showed up anyway despite the risk of illness and/or potential death to vote your party’s candidates down. I get it - it seemed like a surefire way to win and now you’re floundering around in desperation, including attempting to undermine confidence on what is perceived to be a liberal forum on the internet. I get it - you’re trying to make a bale of hay and straw is in short supply these days so you’re grasping at every single one.
But by and large we’re smarter here than Fox News watchers and Walmartians. You’re going to have be slightly less obvious about what you’re doing.
There are many things to address here but lets just get this last sentence out of the way. Don’t worry I’ll be back to address some other points (especially the ridiculous idea of listing Republican/conservative organizations rating of ANY Democrat. And the fact that you slipped in that he was more liberal than “about” 75% of senators - which would put him at best in the middle of the Democratic party ideologically, probably somewhat in the bottom half). Of course they would rather win with Biden but if the choice is between winning with Bernie or losing with Joe, they’ll pick losing with Joe every time.
Right Broomstick, I’m just a Republican troll here to bad-mouth that champion of the left - Joe Biden. Apparently you’re not nearly as smart as you think. Given the choices of course I want Biden to win, I just don’t think he will. For that matter I don’t think Bernie would have been a shoo-in this year either. In 2016 I would have put Bernie’s chances at 85%+. This year maybe 50-60%, due to his increased age and the power of incumbency. Biden, on the other hand perhaps 20%.
It always amazes me how people can be proven wrong virtually every four years and still act like they know what they’re talking about…
I think it’s fairly obvious that people thought Obama was further to the left in 2008, which is why he won. I think it was his personal charisma, his skills as a politician, and the power of incumbency that was responsible for his 2012 victory. It just FELT good when Obama was president. But there were many policies that would have caused howls if they came from a Republican.