I know a lot of Bernie supporters that SAY they’re choosing to vote for the green party because they don’t feel Bernie got a fair shake.
I agree he didn’t get a fair shake, but I don’t want 4 more years of Trump. I hope this isn’t another 2016 scenario. I’m really scared. I really hate how everyone on TV were working against Bernie, and I’m EXTREMELY discouraged. It’s as if the Democratic establishment and the Republicans are two sides of the same coin. I almost feel like not voting at all… But more Trump is going to force my hand into voting, just like 2016. I can’t take it anymore. It’s not that I’m pissed because it’s not ‘MY GUY’ that’s running, it’s that all these powerful forces made it extremely difficult for ‘my guy’ that gets to me.
Go ahead and gloat that Bernie probably won’t win, that’s just going to discourage people more. It’s horse crap. How do I talk to the other Bernie supporters, and encourage them to vote Biden? I can’t blame them for being mad. I’m mad. I don’t want to have anything to do with this crud. The establishment wants me not to have a voice, so why bother?
If this were any other situation… I would say f it, and not vote. I’m saving my protests for another day. Another Supreme Court decision is the only reason I’m involving myself in the process.
I really, really don’t understand your position. Donald J fucking Trump is President, and you may not vote? You think that the ‘establishment’ is preventing Bernie from getting the nomination?
And what do you mean Bernie didn’t get a fair shake? What the hell are you talking about?
One reason that Bernie won’t get the nod is it looks like he may not be able to beat Trump. Do you have ANY idea how important it is to remove Trump?
Democrats and Republicans are not the opposite sides of the same coin. Bernie Sanders was roundly rejected (pending today’s outcome) by the Democratic voters. The establishment - however you define it - did not make people vote for Biden. Hell until SC, Biden was pronounced as being dead as a candidate. If the “establishment” (whoever the fuck that is) were any good at backing Biden, he’d never have been in that position. They hype would have been deafening and any moderate would have been sidelined before they got to the second debate. That did not happen. Because there is no conspiracy against Sanders. None. Stop spreading ridiculous conspiracy theories.
I didn’t say I wasn’t going to vote. Did you read my post?? And if the media didn’t crap on Bernie and scare us in to thinking only an establishment candidate could win against Trump, I would think would beat Trump big time.
Look… I came here to learn what I can say to get people to vote for Biden. Conspiracy my ass. I watched MSNBC this whole election, and they were ‘anyone but Bernie’ the whole time… Don’t patronize me.
Your memory is selective. MSNBC, CNN, etc… All were ready to announce time of death for Biden until SC results and then Super Tuesday comeback.
A self described socialist that was a lifelong independent, running in the Democratic party nomination process, was always going to be controversial. You have to wear blinders not to recognize that the country is more moderate than that. Sanders made his bones on being controversial. You can’t cry “establishement” if you spend your political career being anti-establishment.
What you can tell people is that if they don’t want 4 more years of Trump, they need to vote Biden. That’s it.
I didn’t come here to fight. I’m NOT the only one who feels this way. The people I know don’t feel like Bernie was offered a fair chance, and don’t seem to give a crap about 4 more years of Trump. Plus, his supporters were demonized and that pisses people off.
But, I will honestly try my hardest to move their needle a bit.
I wish I lived in a more progressive country. I also worry about Biden and climate change. It doesn’t seem like it’s a big priority on his list. But he’s better than Trump I guess. I guess we’re going to have to get used to animals burning alive for a while more.
Amen. Sanders’ whole plan was to take advantage of a split moderate field to grab a plurality of delegates and then claim victory. He never intended to get a majority of Democratic voters to support him. Then, when other moderates realized that running a campaign that is getting 5% is a waste of their energy and resources, it’s all a big unfair cheaty conspiracy that they drop out and get behind the best poised moderate. And totally unfair that the media is talking about the guy trying to win the nomination with 30% support.
To answer the OP, according to the polling, I believe Biden can beat Trump. That doesn’t mean he will, and I think Bernie would be a stronger candidate. But Biden has the lead right now, in polling and in delegates. If everyone who strongly opposes Trump votes for Biden, he’ll win easily. Hopefully all these folks will come out and vote, even the ones (like me) who would be disappointed we didn’t nominate Bernie.
Thanks. I hope so too. I don’t see us recovering from 4 more years of Trump. I’m “the voice of reason” in this bunch of people. I’m really trying to look past what I considered to be an unfair process. I don’t think we’ll recover from 4 more years of Trump.
We know what Trump is going to do: turn to his corrupt cabal of Russian sympathizers and trolls to spread lies about Biden being paid off by oligarchs in Ukraine. This is pizzagate level conspiracy here.
I get it that many people are disappointed and don’t feel like Biden represents them. It isn’t just Bernie people – talk to Warren supporters, and I think they have a much stronger case that their candidate was treated unfairly.
But the question of what do to in the election should be framed as less about compromising one’s principles and voting for Biden while holding one’s nose, and more about whether they are going to let Donald Trump lie, cheat, and steal his way to another term.
If blue voters stay home, that’s a huge win for the ilk of Roger Stone and Rudy Giuliani, two motherfuckers who should spend the rest of their days in prison. If you want them in jail, vote for the Dem. It is just that simple.
I’m not trying to pick a fight. I’m trying to explain to you that those people are as wrong about Bernie in the same way that Trump voters are wrong about Trump.
I know that sounds upsetting to hear. But it beggars reality to think that someone who stand no chance of achieving the promises he makes should be expected to accomplish those things. The good news is, Democrats are not as naive about Sanders, as the GOP turned out to be about Trump.
You do what you can. It’s not your burden to bear alone.
I wish we lived in a country that was more progressive as well. I support most of Sanders policies as well. But the reality of it is that we live in a country that elected Trump. So it’s ridiculous to stare reality in the face and pretend otherwise. People of good conscience who are opposed to Trump must begin to behave in a reasonable and co-operative manner. All other options, including electing a democratic socialist, have been exhausted.
Oh, FFS! Can we just not become hysterical? St. Bernie, despite his anointed infallibility, is not going to save all the animals or the environment single handed. Nor will electing Biden condemn it.
Ok… So I didn’t think Bernie could have done everything. I really just hoped for M4A. I would like free schooling and the like, but I wasn’t expecting it. Trump won for different reasons in my opinion. Not because he was super conservative, but because he was a populist.
I know Bernie Sanders can’t save the environment all on his own but I think that it’s urgent to act fast, and I don’t see Biden taking big action that we need.
He’s got a pretty decent chance of beating Trump by winning those swing states (mostly mid-west) that Clinton lost on her personality and campaign style. Biden plays well with the blue collar for whatever reason, better than sideshow Donald even. Blue States & Red States will vote just like last time, but those purple states should see enough switch to Biden to give him the electoral & popular vote. But it is really important people come out and vote for Biden even if it is just a vote against Trump.
I like Bernie better than Biden also, but either is a lot better than Trump. All the Dems were better than Trump. A steaming pile of crap is better than 4 more years of Trump and Biden is a lot better than a steaming pile of crap.
If enough anti-Trumpers vote, it might help swing the houses to the Dems so they can try to accomplish something their first two years.
This is where I think Bernie failed. He promised everything. If he’d just stuck to M4A, that would have been a big enough platform, and difficult enough on it’s own. But no. He bit off more than he could chew. Certainly more than the lib/prog/dem voters were willing to swallow.
Everybody wants to act fast on the environment. But this is not a problem that will be fixed quickly. Even if the world switched to 100% renewable energy today, and it can’t for another 25 years under the best circumstances, things will get worse before they get better.