Meh. The article says that the ozone standard would be reconsidered in 2013 anyway. It’s perfectly consistent with Obama’s stance as a centrist. But yeah, the perception among most progressives will be that it’s another cave-in while gaining nothing politically.
And of course, the Right will paint this as anti-business, radical, and baby-Jesus killing. I’m surprised Boehner had the stones to even give the damning by faint praise ‘good first step’. He really is going to get Starscream’d by Cantor, keeping that up.
I don’t think that Bush’s cake was as terrible as YOU think it is. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m thinking you probably consider yourself overall as a liberal, progressive, democrat, or something along those lines. I, on the other hand, do not. I see tremendous value in both parties, and inherent flaws in both as well. So again… where you see a cake that sent everyone to the hospital with food poisoning, I see a cake that people were pretty happy with for a while, then got tired of because they ate too much of it. Most republican ideals and philosophies are not inherently evil to me, but carried to their extremes for too long can be quite damaging. Same with the democratic cake.
I’d rather have a cake I can live off of than die of starvation from waiting forever for one.
This argument has actually led into a thought that I had that a in some ways the Republicans might almost be an improvement (although not enough for me to vote for them).
Guy1: I will give you cake
Guy 2: I will give you this pile of stew that I’ve been feeding you for the last 8 years. Yes you noticed its made of gopher guts but you voted for it before.
(Guy 3 votes for Guy 1. Guy 2 hires Guido and Nunzio to knee cap Guy 1 and smash his cake.)
Guy3: I’m still hungry
Guy 1: I still want to give you cake but I’m having difficulty. Here is what I have, (hands Guy 1 mashed dirty cake) it’s the best I can do under the circumstances.
Guy 2: I still have the pot of gopher guts. If you vote for me I’ll call off Guido and Nunzio and you’ll actually get them.
?? I have no idea what this means… recovering from what? It’s just an analogy, and obviously I’m not starving… What does that have to do with Galveston?
Obama should just go in front of the house and give his speech. he could invite the Dems and TV cameras and news stations. The house has been technically in session since the break. The Repubs have kept it that way to prevent Obama from making recess appointments . So he could just go right ahead and give the speech.
He could try. They probably wouldn’t keep him out, but they certainly wouldn’t let the cameras in. The president does not own the Congressional Building. So he could do you propose and look like an idiot, or do what he did and get the job done.
I guess you were absent when they talked about separate, co-equal branches of government?
The President has no inherent right to speak to a joint session of Congress anytime they are in session. Even the Constitutionally-mandated “State of the Union” address isn’t really a speech but simply a report to Congress.
Obama might show up and pound on the door, but the Speaker (and the Majority Leader, for that matter) have no obligation to let him in.
You are going to an awful lot of trouble to avoid addressing the fact that you made statements that you cannot (or maybe just won’t - I can be supportive too) back up with proof. That says much more about you than it ever will about me.
Maybe if I break it down into teeny tiny sections for you? You said in your OP “Obama wants to address congress on the date of some long planned Republican candidate debates”. Now, show me where you have been able to prove that at that time (or, even since then - being supportive again) any one of these “facts” you presented:
That it was Obama that picked that date.
That he knew that the Republican’s had something else planned.
What possible reason Obama would have for doing something that dumb, if either 1 or 2 were true.
I will also point out that the fact that you answered my first post in this thread with extreme rudeness also says far more about your mistakes than anything else. Even if you want to assume that I don’t know anything about the subject, you flying off the handle because I dared to question you is pretty telling.
But, yeah, I’m still bored…
You really lack understanding of just what kind of opposition Obama’s facing. Whose arms should he be twisting? What leverage does he have to twist them? Which rules should he be breaking? How can he stack the Supreme Court? Who should he be blackmailing? With what should he be blackmailing them with? He has used reconciliation. What else should he be using it for (you do realize that it can’t be used for everything, right?)?
What exactly do you want him to GET DONE? How do you suggest he do so? Be specific.
Well, leadershlp, of course! Hell, all he has to do is come up with a bold, innovative plan that is made up of things everybody is already comfortable with, that will move huge masses of cash into the hands of people who will spend it but will not cost anyone else any money!
Pubbies already go their plan, its the same plan it always is, tax cuts! Booming economy, tax cuts! Sinking economy, tax cuts! Unfunded, ruinously expensive military adventures, oh, you better believe that’s a tax cut! Broken leg, tonsillitis, neuritis, neuralgia…tax cuts!
Now, in this case, their plan to win the economic race is to nail their track shoes to the floor and glue their feet inside. Sure, its a stupid plan, but its a plan!
Why does he have to address a joint session of Congress? Does anyone, for instance, think that watching the SotU speech is enhanced by the theatrics exhibited by the audience? Just more opportunity for partisan bickering, if you ask me. I know it’s supposed to symbolize how important this shit is, but I think he might get more of a grown up response if he gave the speech in front of Sasha’s grade school class. (She’s the younger one, right?)
Would it be a good political move to deny him? There is risk in political grand standing. They would have be wise to occasionally act like they are part of government too. Lots of people are being turned off by the Republican gridlock,
Yes, it would be wise. I would do the same if someone showed up, unannounced, at my office in order to make a speech. Especially if they sent a security detail 3 hours ahead of time to secure the area. You know about that, don’t you? The president doesn’t just pop over to the Capitol building whenever he feels like it.
So, there you are, slaving away, and you hear the strains of “Hail to the Chief” in the hall outside your door, and the President wheels in a portable podium and starts in with “My fellow American…” And you say “Hey, get the fuck out of my office!”
Yeah. Right. Sure.
(Did you say something dumber than Gonzo, just to be charitable? I would admire that…)
