Do you think more people should have the wisdom and courage to switch to an ALL BEEF diet like JP?
If he does manage to recover enough to return to the self-help/money-begging circuit… his advice needs to be publicly scrutinized/audited. If he ever suggests his followers to forgo standard medical treatments (for addiction recovery) in favour of his cold-turkey/coma method, people could die. That’s no joke.
“Welcome to Russia! We put you in coma now. No medicine, we use large mallet made of wood, like in Bugs Bunny cartoon! Nite-nite!” <BOP>
I’ve watched, and paid close attention, to 6 hours of debates and conversations between him and Sam Harris. The smart things JP says are trite. The nonsense he pontificates is profound.
I stumbled across Maps of Meaning a while ago, and have made slow inroads with that. I think there’s an intriguing idea there, somewhere buried under lots of barely-intelligible and not often terribly well substantiated interpretation of myth across different cultures, but I’m not exactly sure what it is.
Sometime after, I saw this 12 Rules thing pop up here and there, and lumped it in with The Secret and things like that, but never really made the connection until now. Well, it seems like he’s found his audience…
Celebrities have been advocating health idiocy for a long time now, and sadly the suckers will keep swallowing it hook, line and sinker.
Came home after a crazy day at work. Read this. Laughed out loud. Thanks!
See this is lazy criticism, I barely see any point specific criticism of him and his ideas.
Hey some of his thoughts I think are bit silly but on the whole he makes a lot of sense.
2017 Maps of Meaning 08: Neuropsychology of Symbolic Representation
Biblical Series IV: Adam and Eve: Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death
Interpreting the depiction of two snakes entwining as an illusion to DNA is pretty crazy, JBP might not know that this is simply how snakes mate, but he should be aware he is talking out of his ass. His ideas are not the product of any sort of scholarly rigour or rational system. They are simply his personal “hot takes” on day-to-day stuff. No more informed then crazy uncle Joe, or radio jockey #47.
ECT is still used; insulin shock quickly went by the wayside.
About a decade ago, there was a lot of buzz about a treatment called “precipitated opiate withdrawal” that was initially believed to have a high success rate; in short, a person was put into a medically induced coma for several days and given various drugs to quickly get them off opiates, and just a quick Google search indicates that it too has largely gone the way of the dodo.
When I took organic chemistry the Professor who held many patents and seemed quite intelligent told us the first chemist to imagine a hydrocarbon ring structure got the idea from a most likely a cocaine fueled dream of a snake eating itself. I’m not making anything of it but I did think it was interesting.
You do see the difference between someone who was actively working on that aspect of organic chemistry having an insight in the form of a symbolic dream, and Australian aborigines intuitively using the theoretical structure of DNA as a foundation in their art, right?
You did read the last sentence of my post right?
The story about benzene is off topic for this thread then.
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I’ve read his ‘12 Rules’ book and watched a few talks and interviews. I feel like I’ve probably read and heard as much *about *him as *by *him. I really don’t see what the alt-right see in him; he is far from a frothing-at-the-mouth white supremacist. Likewise, many on the left see JP as some kind of monstrous caricature of far-right neo-nazi ideology - there are far more disagreeable (and illogical) people out there in the public sphere than JP. IMHO, he is an occasionally thought-provoking public speaker who is sometimes prone to exaggerating the ‘threat’ posed by the far-left, venturing too far away from his area(s) of expertise, and over-reliance on mythological and biblical interpretations.
An often-repeated mantra of his is a slightly conspiracy-laden notion that there is a cabal of postmodernist/marxist academics who are - inadvertently or otherwise - advocating for the downfall of western civilization. This is a bit much. Still, his many of his critiques of socialism and feminism are pretty solid. A lot of the social sciences *do *make assumptions about privilege and inequality which are worth at least questioning.
The parts of his that I struggle with the most are the boring and non-sensical diatribes about biblical passages and other mythologies. These usually combine with weird, unsupported generalisations such as ‘Chaos is feminine, order is masculine’ (what?).
" I’m not making anything of it but I did think it was interesting."
My point is, it’s not. Or relevant, really.
Such as…?
WTF?! I was on the fence about the guy until this. One of these things is not like the others. Anywhere I could find more detail about his opinions on the Holocaust?
DrCube, I would also be interested in cites on that matter. Until now the takes I’ve heard from him have been to the effect that it was not just monsters but also “the ‘good’ people” who just went along and collaborated in Nazism.
You have just described four qualities that do not necessarily convey each other. He is smart and articulate, but much of what has been reported indicates questionable if not scant wisdom, and I could be very courageous too speaking from a long-standing tenured position to randos on YouTube.
Like the part where he thinks women have too much choice in finding mates these days, and should be forced into monogamous relationships so that they can’t flock to wealthy dudes, leaving unmated men to turn to violence when they’re out-competed in the free market dating market?
Yeah, well that “chaos is feminine, witches are real and live in swamps, everyone knows men bring order” is central to his ideas about society and relationships. You can’t just handwave it off. That’s what Peterson uses as the basis for all his ideas.
You’re right that it’s nonsensical and unsupported. That’s why serious thinkers are unimpressed by Peterson’s work.