Journalist outs transgender con man while investigating story - Unethical or not?

Yeah, it’s perfectly okay to out her because the only reason transgender women erase their old painful lives and try their best to live as the person they really are, is to fool straight white men. To trick them. To commit fraud. That’s why they’re called “traps.”

That’ll teach this uppity “woman” to mess with a real man. Stalk her, harass her, threaten her and when she begs and pleads with you not to do it, just laugh and say “that’ll teach you to use big words I have to look up!” Oh, she killed herself? Can’t wait 'til I get this published so I can show all my real man friends what a real man I am! I’ll just say, “gosh, mentally ill con man dressed as a chick. We’ll never know why she killed herself. Just a troubled man.”

Rubbish. Well-intentioned but poorly thought out rubbish. For one thing, you’re confusing “taking note of the fact” with “discriminating against”.

If she had been telling everyone she was Chinese and worked for the Chinese space program when in fact she was of Romani ancestry and had been born in Hoboken, NJ, taking note of the fact would not be wrong nor would it in any way be "discriminating against someone for their status as a minority. And I wager no one would have a problem with a reporter including that detail in their story.

Wow. I thought you had kind of gotten a grip on your visceral reaction to this but I guess I was wrong.

That’s what happens when I keep hearing “we’ll never know. She changed her gender and used it to commit fraud! Poor, poor writer. Just doing his job. I’m sure he’s all broke up.”

I don’t think he should have told the investor about any of his findings. That was when he stopped being an observer of a story and started being a part of it.

That said, I don’t know how I feel about this. On one hand, the transgender stuff adds an interesting layer to the story. How much of Dr.V’s charisma was intertwined with her gender and the fact she was the lone woman in an old boys club? The truth is that a person’s presentation matters just as much as the products they are selling. Maybe she wouldn’t have been as compelling if she had “presented” as a man. Hannan doesn’t talk about this, but it was the first thought that came to my mind.

But on the other hand, it’s clear Dr.V’s transformation from man to woman was not a part of the ruse. His job as a journalist wasn’t to dig up as much dirt as he possibly could and then spread that dirt around town. Unless he works for a trashy gossip column or something.

But I will say this. If he had written about a politician who bashes gays and lesbians and the transgendered, I wouldn’t have a problem with him being outed. So if Dr. V. had a reputation for being hateful towards sexual minorities along with her “expert” golf club design, how would I feel? I still don’t think it would have been right for him to blab to the investor. But would the transgender revelation still be inappropriate? I don’t know. And I’m fine with not knowing.

Yes, her STORY. Her WHOLE story is integral to the success of the club. Knowing her whole story is the only way they can evaluate whether risking their money is worth it. This is why any product that relies on individual branding requires more transparency and care. It’s why pitchmen are fired for saying anything too political, or getting arrested. It needn’t have anything to do with how one feels out the underlying opinion, act, or status. It’s about how it affects the business.

I know what you said. I am saying that your opinion is contradictory and idiotic. If you think the writer can out her in a story that would essentially be national news, why would telling her investors matter at all? More importantly, it does matter as it would likely had an affect on how they conducted their business relationship.

Of course it does. First off, how did Anthony Weiner, or JFK, or FDR, “abuse the electorate’s trust”? Why does JFK need disclose his illness? Second, it matters because, at the very least, that fact will affect sales in one way or another. Do you honestly think that is not the case?

If it affects the business, it’s relevant- period. It doesn’t mean her investors should take it as free reign to tell anyone they want, but it is relevant to their decision making with regard to the business.

She chose to go public when they named a club after her, and sold the club based on her credentials, life story, and persona. Yes, she didn’t want her transitioning to be part of that public image, but it’s not up to her at that point. It’s a material omission because the investors likely would have acted differently if they knew that before they acted.

Someone who believes in “civil rights”, but not freedom of association? And choosing not to invest, or to change your marketing strategy, or whatever business decision you want to make, based on your pitch-person’s appeal has nothing to do with civil rights. Additionally, civil rights are guaranteed by government, not individuals.

Depends on the context. If being gay will affect the business positively or negatively, then it’s not irrelevant. For example, don’t you think people who invested time and money in Ted Haggard would have wanted to know he is (allegedly) homosexual?

Why? Why is it wrong for an individual to discriminate against minorities in an absolute sense? Let’s just put aside the point that the right to know in this context is distinct from the desire and ability to act on that information. The point you are making sounds nice and egalitarian, but it’s naive and completely unfair to stakeholders. Can a person not base their decision on whom to date on race or religion? Can I decline to see Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise movies because their religious views and behavior bother me? Can I decline to hire an ugly guy to sell my beauty products? It’s one thing to not hire a cashier because she wears a burqa, but it’s perfectly understandable to not hire her to be on the cover of your Kosher cookbook you are selling in Tel Aviv.

That’s the issue in a nutshell. You are conflating multiple issues, namely: government needing to protect minorities, employment discrimination, and general freedom to discriminate based on immutable characteristics. The latter applies here mostly because these guys are investing in this person because they believe story is marketable. If she has something in her past that might affect marketability, regardless of what it is, they have a right to know. Even if that means that allows them to act on their bigotry.

One investor who didn’t want to talk to him and who said if she were a fraud, she’d have taken the money and run. Instead she made a great golf club. Undeterred, the writer implies the investor may have the hots for her. Yes! A trap! I must protect my fellow straight men! Or, maybe the writer should have taken a clue. There is a whole list of clues this guy should have gotten, and didn’t. What if the investor did have the hots for her? Big fucking Goddamned deal and none of anyone’s business. Investor doesn’t care about the money? Clue. Old friends and family don’t want to talk to you? Clue. Only person you can find to talk to you is an old enemy brother in law who hates her? Clue.

You clearly need to step back from the situation, and stop misrepresenting the facts. Besides, what are you trying to imply with all this “clue” business?

Misrepresenting the facts? Are there no depths to which you’ll sink to make this conform to the evil lying tranny fantasy you apparently really need to mentally compartmentalize what was a blatant case of harassment and bigoted prejudice that resulted in a tragic death. Yet again?

I think the record speaks for itself. No need to engage you and your delusions.

Yes, the record. Care to cite it? Have you even read the article?

Emphasis mine. You’ve read an awful lot into the single sentence "Before I told him about her past, he told me that because of her height and vivid red hair, it was hard to miss the “pretty woman walking toward me in a miniskirt.”

And how do you know that he’s straight? I must have missed the part of the article where he discusses his or the investor’s sexual preferences.

Okay, we’re done. Good luck and all that.

When come back, bring sense. Not throwing things down quarries.

Oh, the irony. :rolleyes:

Both of you need to knock off the potshots at each other and take it to the Pit instead of in this thread.

anything of substance, or just little quips?

Where did I say that? Please cite.

Reread the article. The author said that it stopped working for him once he realized it wasn’t based on real science.

No. If you read the article, there’s a good discussion of Karsten Solheim, who invented the Ping irons which changed the distribution of weight around the clubhead. This design has become the standard for the great majority of clubs used today. It’s literally right there in the article.

And if you read it, Dr V argued that Soldheim (who actually was an engineer, not to mention the most respected club designer this century) was a hack.