Just because McCartney wrote "A World Without Love" doesn't mean we have to pretend that it's good

Are you a programming director for faceless corporate radio?
Do you set playlists for satellite radio or subscription music services?
Or, are you of that dying breed: a Radio DJ who actually decides the content of your show?

Please, stop playing “A World Without Love” by Peter and Gordon. It sucks.

We don’t have to pretend it’s good just because McCartney wrote it.
As written it sucks.
As produced it sucks.
As performed it sucks.

Look, I’m a songwriter myself. If I was banging a hot redhead and she asked me, post-coitus, to please allow her no-talent hack of a brother to record one of my songs, sure I might agree.
But I wouldn’t let him ruin one of my good songs.
I’d throw him a scrap that had already been rejected by a wiser performer. And, because I have a cruel sense of humor, it might be a song that requires the sad bastard to sing about being a total loser who can’t get laid.

That’s basically the situation we have with “A World Without Love”.
It’s O.K. to recognize that this was one of McCartney’s great misfires. It’s just god-awful. Please, never play it again. If I could avoid grocery stores and malls for the rest of my life, I would- but I can’t, so this song’s really got to be cut from the playlist.

It sucks. It really really sucks.

Ahem, the song went to number one in both the U.S. and the U.K. and was included by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as one of the 500 songs that shaped Rock and Roll. (What’re they trying to do, make every song a song that shaped Rock and Roll?)

Anyway, it was an extremely successful song at the time it was released and umpteen quadjillion people (mostlhy girls) loved it.

So much so that I suspect those guys weren’t lonely for many years afterward.

Meh, it’s an artifact of its time. They can’t all be gems. (supposedly, Lennon did at the time say something to the effect that immediately after “Please lock me away,” that’s exactly what should have been done)

Pretty much, they’re all over the place. The RRHF does tend to cross over into a sort of a parody of itself at times.

You don’t go into detail about why you hate the song, so I won’t go into detail about why I disagree with you. But I do. It’s an awesome song. My only problem with it is that I constantly confuse it with Ferry Cross the Mersey.

Then again, if any song were constantly playing wherever I went, I’d soon grow to hate it, so you do have that justification. I only hear the song once every couple years or so.

I like it, and I’m not a teenaged girl.

Of course, it, like almost all songs with the word “love” in the title, improves vastly by substituting “blood” for “love”:

“I don’t care what they say,
I won’t stay in a world without blood…”

I think even Paul and John thought it was a bit ludicrous (the lyrics, I mean):

“Please lock me away…”

However, at the time of the song’s release, those of us hungry for more from “The British Invasion” accepted just about anything from England…

Thanks

Quasi

Peter Asher? No talent? He was a pretty successful record producer.

Non-detailed OP because I was feeling like a rant about a song that I really think gets way too much play. Still, my personal preference for discussion of the Arts:
I love to hear/read someone detail their appreciation for a work that they love,
but, in contrast,
I prefer a fun “It sucks because I do not like it” approach to discussing a work that is disliked.

It’s impossible to prove that a work is bad and I find it tiresome when someone tries to explain that they are right that a particular work is bad. It is also impossible to prove that a work is good, but when someone likes a work, it is interesting to hear that appreciation expounded upon. Often, I’ll see something new in a work upon hearing how someone else connects with it.

“A World Without Love” is a song that I hate, so an enthusiasic “It sucks because I hate it” is- contrary to most other academic discourse- is how I would leave it. But I am happy to discuss- but don’t expect to win me over, I’m not on the fence on this one- I really hate this song.
The melody isn’t bad, but it’s not particularly interesting to me. I do like how neatly the wrap-around is served but the “I don’t care what they say I won’t stay in a world without love” (the melody of that line, not the lyrics).

So, it’s a net “meh” for me based on the melody. It’s the lyrics that I really think are so bad.

Now, there isn’t any noteworthy “wordsmithing” happening, so the lyrics are really only to be judged upon the narrative content.

The song’s narrator is really very trite, whiny, and adolescent- and not in a Catcher in the Rye artistic exploration of a whiny adolescent character kind of a way. There’s nothing self-aware enough about the writing that would convince me that McCartney wanted to explore this frame of mind from a psycological angle.

The narrative is tiresomely hyperbolic. This is not “A World Without Love” as may be explored globally in socially aware songwriting of the later sixties. No, this is only a “World Without Love” because the narrator himself doesn’t have a girlfriend. C’mon, give me a break. Who would really have any patience to listen to a teenager go on like this in realy life? Well, putting it in song form doesn’t help.

If McCartney had gone all the way and really made this an exploration of despair, it may have been interesting (compare the far superior Skeeter Davis hit “End of the World”). But in this song what is actually despair is played up as if it should be thought of as romantic. There is something very noble about the melody, as if the writer’s opinion is that the narrator is correct. The problem has nothing to do with personal failings of the narrator, rather it is the world that is in the wrong.

If the narrator is noble and romantic and right, then it follows that locking one’s self away in loneliness is an admirable thing to do when facing a harsh cruel world. Bad enough leaving it at that, but really the world described in the song is not “a harsh cruel world”- it’s just that this guy can’t get a girlfriend!

I can go on, I actually would like to contrast it to Gershwin’s similarly themed (but, again, far superior) “Somebody Loves Me”, but I am posting from work, so I have to interupt myself.

typo:

I do like how neatly the wrap-around is served by the line “I don’t care what they say I won’t stay in a world without love”.
“Wrap-around” or you could call it the one-line refrain, melodically I think this line very nicely brings us back around to start a new verse.

I wrote a hyperbolic OP. If pressed to abandon hyperbole I couldn’t defend suggesting he was a no talent hack, but I don’t think he’s all that impressive.
I knew him to be very involved with James Taylor’s work. I like but don’t love James Taylor, but even when I like James Taylor songs, I tend not to like the sound of the songs.

I’m a 10,000 Maniacs fan and pretty much always tried to pretend I didn’t see his name in the credits. I like In My Tribe but think Joe Boyd’s production of The Wishing Chair showed a much more insightful understanding of how to best present the band’s songs (I am a Fairport Convention fan). I don’t like Blind Man’s Zoo very much- and considering how much I like the band, I’m happy to blame the producer (though I recognize that, on this project, the band and the producer may have been simpatico).

I mentioned above that I wanted to contrast this song with Gershwin’s “Somebody Loves Me”.
The despair in “A World Without Love” is presented as if it is something noble. The narrator does allow for the possibility of love, but self-righteously insists upon remaining locked away in his loneliness- the obligation is upon his imagined true love to come to him. Echoing what I said above, if this was not a song but rather a person standing in front of you wanting you to validate his self-important worldview, how long would you put up with listening to this asshole?

The Gershwin song is similar in that the narrator is sad and lonely as he awaits true love, but in contrast to “A World Without Love”, the narrator of “Somebody Loves Me”, though he has known despair makes a choice to find strength in hope. He will actively engage in the world around him, moving on with the unwavering belief that there is someone out there for him.

This contrast as well as the contrast I made above when I referenced the Sylvia Dee penned Skeeter Davis hit “The End of the World” illustrate why I consider “A World Without Love” to be trite and pathetic.

Another thing that has always bothered me . . .
Though I now mostly hear it in malls and grocery stores that subscribe to a satellite service, back in the day when I used to hear it on Oldies Radio the DJ seemed to always mention that McCartney wrote it. As if there was a need to provide compelling justification for this song’s presence in the playlist (or as if the DJ were apologizing for subjecting us to it).
This may be the foundation of my frustration- and, indeed, this is why I titled the Thread as I did: just because McCartney wrote it doesn’t mean we have to pretend it is good.

I remember liking “A World Without Love” well enough. It’s very McCartney, which is to say it’s sappy pop. Possibly not Peter & Gordon’s best recording. I think their harmonies came out better in “500 Miles.”

I like the song.

That doesn’t mean it’s my favorite song. That doesn’t mean I think it’s one of the best songs ever. It’s not one of my 500 all-time greatest. But I like it.

McCartney later wrote “Woman” for them under the name Bernard Webb because by that time he wanted to see whether it was his name alone that was selling songs. It was a Top 40 hit in both the UK and US but didn’t come close to #1. That was partly because Peter and Gordon’s time was over (until they came back with the different sound of “Lady Godiva” and “Knight in Rusty Armor”) and because… it wasn’t as good a song as “A World Without Love.”

Chad and Jeremy were better, though. “A Summer Song” *is *one of my 500 all-time favorites.

It’s a good tune, not trite or tossed-off despite being one of Macca’s giveaway tracks. I always thought the ascending line on the words “care what they say, I…” was a great hook. Interesting chord changes, particularly the daring jump in the second bar from the opening I to the V7 of vi (G#7 in the key of E). If the Beatles had arranged and recorded this, it could have been great. The “Please lock me away” line is pretty funny, I’ll grant.

I’m still proud of this post.

My milieage varies evidently because I didn’t know this fact until a couple years ago, yet I still managed to like the song.

Although I agree with you on the production values of the various 10KM albums. Wishing Chair is best, followed probably by the two previous ones (even though I like the songs on them better, their production is a bit too punk for me.)

Totally! They wrote a lot of their own material, and although the big hits tended towards string-laden mushiness, they also did some harder-edged stuff like “No Other Baby”, “Should I”, and “Funny How Love Can Be”.

The Sappy Love Song genre is not one of my favorites. if I listened to an oldies station (insert barfing smiley here) and they constantly played “A World Without Love” I might grow to dislike it. But it’s a good song.

“Ferry Cross The Mersey” is a palpitating pile of slop.

Some people want to fill the world with Sappy Love Songs.

Yes, I remember when it was a hit. Neither I nor my sister were fans; she liked Chad & Jeremy, though. (Which led to our First Rock & Roll Concert at the Houston Music Hall. The usual lineup of local faves played: Neal Ford & The Fanatics and Fever Tree, probably. Then Chad & Jeremy, followed by the Lovin’ Spoonful–my faves! The Beach Boys were the stars, with Glen Campbell filling in for Brian, who had begun his trip to crazy town.)

End of Boomer Flashback.

So, I don’t particularly care for the OP’s hated tune, although I’m sure others do. My pet hates when it comes on Oldies Muzak? Anything by Gary Puckett & The Union Gap or Lou Christie. We thought they were dreck at the time & they have not gotten better. Yet I *still *hear them!

ETA: Then I bought the Holy Modal Rounders first LP, just because Peter Stampfel had written the liner notes for the Spoonful’s first LP. My little ears were surprised! Quite unlike most folk music I’d heard…

Those flashbacks keep flashing!

Out of all the crap jingles and melodies MaCrapney’s shoved into the worlds conscientiousness you picked this one?

Not even in his top(bottom) five.

Worst five