Just heard Mitt Romney speak in Indy--what an idiot

As a Columbia Club member, I was able to attend Mitt’s breakfast fund raiser this morning. I shook the man’s hand all of forty minutes ago. (No, I did not provide funds, though I did sign a petition for him to get on the ballot in Indiana. I hope he gets the nomination. :wink: )

First, let’s give credit where it’s due. Mitt looks good, he looks presidential. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, and he is a very good speaker–not phony at all, just smooth, natural, and ingratiating.

All that said, what a fool. He sounds even stupider and blinkereder to a sympathetic audience than he does in Soundbyteville.

He says that America is at an inflection point. Life will never be the same again, etc. Why? Radical jihad, increased foreign competition, and I forget the third reason. The radical jihad thing is just retarded, the foreign competition thing is reasonable enough, and I forget the other thing.

What are really stupid are his “ideas” for change. I will give him credit for doing something about health insurance in Mass. I’ll give him credit perhaps for getting other things done there. But all he has to offer, despite his belief in big changes coming for our nation, are pretty standard Republican talking points (although, again, he sounded credible in talking about health insurance). Lower taxes, strengthening families, stronger military, blah blah. Zero vision, in other words.

He also made a crack about Hillary saying we need to be more in-this-together by saying, “I guess it’s out with Joseph Smith, in with Karl Marx.” Haw haw. Also an Edwards haircut joke.

Tosser!

Hmm.

So you can’t disagree with someone honestly. They have to transform in your mind into an idiot.

Sadly, I think this says lots more about you than it does about Mitt.

I’m torn on the guy myself. But on the face of it, he is one of the smartest of the candidates running (probably Romney, Clinton, Giuliani and Obama are the smartest among the frontrunners, if you ask me.)

Now, smart doesn’t count for everything, but it counts for something, and for you to dismiss him as an idiot seems not only unfair, but agenda driven.

Why do you want him to get the nomination if he’s an idiot?

I’m at work and didn’t really have time to craft a compelling OP, so I take your point. I wanted to post this while it was fresh.

It’s all contextual. I don’t think the man is unintelligent per se, but his assessment of our national situation is flawed, and his policy prescriptions (excepting health insurance) are absolutely vacuous. And they are so because his political situation compels him to say things completely in disharmony with reality, and he does come across as extremely right wing (double Guantanamo, etc.) and Bush-following despite the disaster of that regime.

Complete mismatch of reality and policy. Sounds therefore nutty, idiotic. Something bad.

He didn’t get much done in Massachusetts other than position himself for his presidential run, no matter how much he likes to claim otherwise. Look to the legislature (overwhelmingly Democratic) for health care reform, not him, for example.

When he ran for governor he was cordial to gay rights and swore he’d never interfere in a woman’s choice despite his private beliefs. Now he’s running to the right-wing base and desperately trying to distance himself from the far more moderate positions he used to get elected.

He’s a good-looking, well-spoken, Central Casting candidate. He’s also a pander bear.

Pubs will not vote for a Mormon, and he’s too right wing anyway and will lose.

So say you think it is flawed.

Criticisms of policy, of his political alignment, of his rhetoric. All perfectly fine and worthy of comment - and all having little to do with his intelligence.

This is where you lose me. Sorry. If you disagree with the guy, you have a million different substantial reasons to do so. But I couldn’t rescue a foundering and scandal-ridden Olympics. I couldn’t manage a successful venture capital firm. I couldn’t come in to a debt-ridden and divided management company and put it on its path to future growth and success.

Could you?

And I wouldn’t dream of saying success in one field means you’ll be successful in another - but it should at least insulate you from charges of idiocy.

He meant ‘again’, I’m sure.

Brilliant, Moto, truly brilliant. This is probably the funniest joke ever told on this board.

I mean, you weren’t serious, were you?

It is not entirely unreasonable to speak and act differently when you are speaking as a member of a church hierarchy than you would as an elected secular government official.

I don’t happen to agree with his religious dogma, but I don’t find it hypocritical that he might have a more stringent code of required conduct as churchman than he expects to as a governor, legislator, or president. I also happen to disagree with his dogma as a Republican Party Stalwart, but while I find it to have many failings, hypocrisy is not demonstrated by this anecdote.

I hate bad arguments against bad ideas. It makes the ideas sound better than they are.

Tris

No debate and clear expressions of acrimony.

I’ll let the Pit folks decide whether I should have really moved this to IMHO.

[ /Moderating ]

The funny thing is that when Hillary Clinton recently came out with her health plan, it sounded remarkably like the Massachusetts plan – and Romney immediately attacked her for it! “She fundamentally doesn’t believe in free markets, wants to impose a European-style bureaucracy, etc.” Talk about knee-jerk.

And haven’t we done this old “idiot” vs. intelligence thing before? “Idiot” is a pretty generic pejorative. It can refer to IQ, EQ, social skills, common sense, street smarts, etc.

I don’t believe that Romney, or for that matter G.W. Bush, has a low IQ. But in either case what comes out of the mouth mismatches Reality so completely that I blame the brain behind the words and call the entire organism “idiot.”

Yes, he said the same thing today. To say the least, he disingenuous.

I’m sorry, but I can’t seem to get past this.

WTF does that even mean?

Mitt Romney reminds me of Ken–of Ken and Barbie fame.

It sounds like something you get a tetanus shot for.

According to the ever reliable Wikipedia

So now you know. :dubious:

I found it amusing that this topic was listed immediately under “I can has break from moron-speak?”

I think I’d pay money to see a presidential debate conducted in cat-macro language. It’s not like it would be any less substantive…

An inflection point, mathematically, is where the curvature changes sign. Another way of saying that is: before the inflection point, the line curved one way; after the inflection point, the line curves the other way. A handy analogy, I should think, if you believe society is poised to curve along a different path than it has up to this point.

In NYC people with ogees used to harass drivers at stop lights until Giuliani was elected. :slight_smile: