You want me to jack off to someone else’s love and intimacy, like some kind of sick weirdo?
Um; you have bad luck at searching for porn?
Link to long-ago thread about “intimacy porn”, which turned out to be one of the funnier threads ever, I thought.
All things considered, I’d rather keep children as far away from sex and sexualization as possible. (Yes, I realize they are going to be thinking about sex anyway, when they turn 12 or so, but I certainly don’t want to contribute to it).
I don’t think porn contributes to sexual assault (there are claims it lowers rape rates, but I need to look closer at the studies). There are lots of anecdotal claims it harms people’s relationships, changes the way we think about sex, etc., but I think the jury is still out on that. I think pornography is immoral, and I wouldn’t allow it in my home, but that’s different than saying it’s harmful.
Why not? That’s not a rhetorical question. Of course you don’t want to participate, but you (and everyone) seem to regard the fact that most people become interested in sex when they go through puberty as a shame, if not a tragedy, and I don’t see it.
Hershele it’s not that puberty exists that’s the problem, it’s the fact that it happens at 12 or so instead of at 16-17.
Age of puberty was higher in the past than it is today.
I’d rather that teens whose sex drive has started up fool around with porn than with real actual sex and all the dangers of disease and unwanted pregnancies that involves. Especially given that giving them real sex education is essentially impossible thanks to the Puritan brigade.
Puberty? Doubtful, that’s biological, and most people aren’t getting married at 13 anymore. Age where sexuality is readily accessible due to pornography? Quite possibly, and yes that could be problematic.
If my hypothetical kids have my genes, getting laid instead of years of self abuse won’t be a problem.
Most people didn’t get married at 13 historically either. Ages of marriages in medieval and early modern Europe, for men, were not that much younger than today. They were somewhat younger for women, but still, more like late teens-early twenties than 13. In other parts of the world it might vary, but IIRC marriage ages were fairly late among the Incas, generally earlier in places like India and China.
You may be thinking of aristocrats, who often did get married earlier. Most non-aristocratic men in Europe couldn’t afford to marry early, as they needed time to acquire enough income to support a wife.
Ages of puberty are obviously biological, but they have fluctuated quite a bit historically. There’s some debate about how high they ever were, but it’s been estimated they were around 16 during the Industrial Revolution, maybe 14-15 during the Middle Ages (and I believe the late Roman Empire). I am not a historian, and my training is in biology, so I’d welcome correction if there are any actual historians around.
Er, what’s real sex ed? “Alright class, today it’s Jacob and Jenny’s turn to fuck in front of the class. Make sure to write at least three things they could have done to make each other cum more intensely and turn it in tomorrow. Don’t forget, next week we’re doing homoerotic gangbangs!”
If you’re referring to “abstinence only” sex ed programs, they exist, but I’m not sure they’re the norm. I’m in Arizona and most of our sex ed was focused on safe sex with only some lip service to abstinence. I’m not clear on exactly what you want discussed.
Snip Yes, was referring to actual biological puberty. There’s some talk that such and such food hormone affects growth and puberty, but I don’t know the specifics on whether it is true. There has always been some variability, down to the youngest mother known in history who was (prepare to be sick) 5 years old, in 1939. She’s still around, it seems. Marrying young as a noble is especially possible if a dowry is an option.
A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones is especially squicky when you realize character x isn’t 16-24 like you assume on the show, but she’s 13 in the books.
What the hell search terms are you using? And what do you call disgusting? Any porn that doesn’t start with a wedding to make it legitimate?
Just as movies don’t feature events in ones normal life, porn doesn’t feature sex that most people have ever day or other day … Duh.
thelurkinghorror I don’t know about hormones, but age of puberty is affected by general nutrition and body fat, and also differs between ethnic groups. it also appears to be affected by social factors, e.g. the presence of a father in the home can delay menarche.
I’m not sure what GRR Martin is supposed to be evidence of, but while noble families were often married at 13 or earlier, consummation typically didn’t happen till 16 or so.
A friend of mine was run over by a truck delivering pornographic DVDs.
Shit I forgot all about that one. Surprisingly enough, he didn’t stick around all that long. Heh.
Man, I missed that one. Being in the Pit, the OP got responses like this one:
“No, there’s something wrong with you. You kiss women’s stomachs for crying out loud!”
I would have told him he was aiming too high or too low.
Well, I have read and done some confirmation that the navel on several women can be a very sexy thing to stop and do some work on the way up or down. 
Not all women have that and the articles I have seen point out that for some it does nothing.
Clearly, more research is indicated.
I think that that has a whole lot to do with it…
From my own independent research, I’d say that most porn would give the uninitiated an unrealistic idea of what’s likely to happen during sex, what a reasonable body image is, and how much setup and effort is involved in developing a relationship to the point where sex is a possibility.
Five minutes after the pizza is delivered?