Quoted for truth. That’s exactly how I feel about it. Like the day where I confiscated an iPod and was called a motherfucking bitch. You know what? Talk to the Youth Services Officer, 'cuz I won’t touch that kid with a ten-foot pole. If I kicked him out, he and his buddies would accuse me of roughing him up, and I don’t need that.
The school resource officer came upon her in the hall between classes, and she accompanied him to the office without causing a scene and without requiring physical force. He did not have to force her to comply to prevent the rest of the students seeing her get away with it, for the class was already dismissed. The Smoking Gun: Public Documents, Mug Shots
Once in the office, a more appropriate action would be to contact her parents and then deal with the problem, rather than to arrest the kid.
And so it goes. A teacher can’t simpy pick up a problem child and toss her out on her ass, so instead a school cop is called. A school cop can’t deal with a problem child’s problems, so he arrests a problem child and hands the problem child over to a judge. A judge can’t deal with a problem child, so the problem child is put on probation. A probation officer doesn’t have the time or the resources to deal with a problem child so the problem child is told to be good and to attend school. Rinse and repeat until a problem child is abandoned by the school system.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: a trebuchet makes for a much more efficient and cost effective solution.
She was arrested for Disorderly Conduct for actions she had already committed in the classroom. If she had not been arrested for that, she would have gotten away with it. It doesn’t matter that she didn’t resist going to the prinipal’s office with the SRO.
She also wasn’t all that cooperative with him in that she continued to lie about the cell phone and tried to hide it in her clothes.
If a teacher tells a student to leave the classroom, and the student refuses, there has to be a consequence for that. The fact that she left when the bell rang is irrelevant to that.
Given that this kid has a history of acting out, I’d say the parents are either unwilling or unable to deal with it. Back in the day, if you got in trouble at school, you and Daddy went to the woodshed and you ate your supper standing up. Now, all too often, you and Daddy hire a lawyer to sue the school for damaging the special snowflake.
This is a potential future Prison Kitty, and it’s horrible that anyone should have treated her as anything other than a precious snowflake.
Give me a fucking break. If some politician came along endorsing this kind of discipline, especially for those fucking wastes of sperm that can’t stop checking their goddamn phone in a movie theater during a movie, they would get my full support. You do realize, this is the kind of kid that, when you see a slasher movie like Friday the 13th, is such a brat and asshole that you WANT Jason to get them, right?
And no, of course I’m not literally endorsing an immortal serial killer hunt her down and kill her.
Here’s the two ways the media can play this:
“Young teen girl is arrested and subjected to an embarrassing search because she texted her father during class.”
“Teen with a prior history of disruptive behavior tries to lie to police and hide cell phone to escape responsibility for the latest in a string of incidents.”
The actual story was somewhere in between, and whatever side of the Prison Kitty fence you fall on tends to dictate how you interpret the incident.
She probably bullies the other girls in class, too.
It’s possible that the girl was breaking the law by having a cellphone on school property. I assume it was government property and there are some government properties where it’s illegal to carry a cellphone without prior permission. That said, I’ve never heard of a school having such a law but one may have been passed in that location. And if so, then the police did have reasonable legal grounds to search for the cellphone based on the information they had.
This has nothing to do with her being obnoxious and rude. She was that but those aren’t crimes. The police can’t search you because of your personality.
I can’t open the copy of the report from where I’m at so I’m winging that part. Yes, if you get arrested you will be searched. It is not a strip search. (In order to be a strip search there must be striping. I doubt anyone was naked in this incident.) Otherwise a police officer, even a school resource officer, must have probable cause or a warrant to search. All laws and regulations apply in schools too (ie Terry searches). However, school officials have much more leeway. Under New Jersey v T.L.O. the SCOTUS gives school officials much broader powers to search than they do to police officers.
Or, out of a thousand kids texting in class, 950 the teacher was able to deal with without escalating, 40 the principal is able to deal with without escalating, 9 the school cop is able to deal with without escalating, and one has to be arrested after repeated disruptive incidents. That one makes the news.
Amen. I think this is the key difference. When I was growing up, the parents were on the side of the teachers and administrators. They worked in concert.
Today, it is the parents and kids against the teachers and administrators.
Easy for you to say, Gray Eyed Girl.
My wife, who teaches at university level, has been known to confiscate phones being used during class. In the case of one student actively carrying out a conversation, she took the phone, informed the person on the other end that “[student] can’t talk right now as she is in class - she’ll call you back” and held onto the phone until the end of the class.
Next class, the same student gets a call. She answers it, then stands up and walks out. Never comes back. Ever. Problem solved.
In the real world we call confiscation without due process something else.
I think it starts with ‘t’.
Teaching?
I would say the answer to you question is yes, plus being afflicted with the “not bothering to read the thread” syndrome.
After reading some of the more detailed links. The kid refused to leave when told to do so, had to be removed by a security guard, still caused problems until the police came, the got herself arrested for being an even bigger shit, and then got the standard pat-down that everyone gets when they are taken into custody.
Geez, when I was a kid and got thrown out of class, I’d end up just sitting, bored and morose, in the hall until some other teacher saw me and yelled at me for not sitting, bored and morose, in the principal’s office.
That’s the word.
Seriously? I also teach at a university, and while I would kick a student out of class if they refused to put away their gadgets, I certainly wouldn’t steal from them.
Both you and catsix seem to have missed the fact that the girl got the phone back at the end of class. That’s not theft, that’s a temporary removal of a disruption.
When I was in elementary school if a kid was playing with an item and disrupting class, the teacher would take it away and give it back at the end of the day. If a high school or college student can’t behave better than a third grader, they deserve to be treated like a third grader.
Would this have been the same if it was an adult in an analogous situation?
I’m not sure. I’m thinking “probably.” I think our students get a pretty bad deal and it harms us all in the end (treat your students like criminals and you will get students who act like criminals) but this particular case doesn’t seem to outrageous to me.
You have it backwards. If students act like criminals they will be treated like criminals. The little bitch in question screwed the pooch, and was treated accordingly. But you are right…it wasn’t outrageous treatment at all.