Quite a proud moment for the vigilant police. Nabbed a kid for stealing a 65 cent carton of milk. The school hallways are so much safer now. :rolleyes:
Never saw a guard or cop in my school’s. EVER now we need them watching a school lunch line? Huh?
Oh btw, the kid gets free lunches and milk. He gets arrested for taking something he gets free. Maybe that’s why he reacted with frustration when officer Rambo grabs him?
The teen reacted in frustration after the officer’s rough handling, according to reports. Police said Ryan was charged with larceny for trying to “conceal” the free milk.
“I yanked away from him, I told him to get off of me because he’s not my dad,” Ryan told the local outlet.
Officers also searched the boy for drugs, because he was acting erratic at the principal’s office, his mother explained.
Actually many schools have officers on site not to patrol the kids but to build positive relationships in an otherwise adversarial situation. I can’t comment on this cop, school, or situation specifically, but many, many schools are using LEO in schools for positive reasons.
My school had high school had police liaisons roaming the halls from time to time as well.
One of my neighbors is the liaison for the elementary schools in our city.
In the elementary schools, I think they’re mostly used for teaching purposes (safety training etc). In the high school, they were there to create a presence. My school (a public school) didn’t have security, but the cop would show up from time to time. It didn’t exactly stop anyone from doing anything, but from the school and PD’s POV it was good to have at least one officer that the students knew, a cop that knew the layout of the building (didn’t need directions to the ‘stairwell behind the English department’ or “the tunnels” ) and he catch a fair about of troublemaking just being in the hallways between classes.
Teachers enforced the rules at my school. Any punishment involved detention time after school or suspension.
We didn’t even carry hall passes. If you needed to use the restroom. But the teacher was aware how long you were gone. You couldn’t just roam the hallway.
I signed myself out to visit my orthodontist. Signed back in afterward. His office was just down the block. A 5 min walk together my braces tightened.
Today most kids don’t encounter “beat patrolmen” like they did once upon a time, so the school is essentially the place where kids can learn to trust cops. This isn’t the case for every cop embedded in a school, but for many schools the purpose of the cop is to be an Officer Friendly, someone the kids can get to know, trust, who can provide some informal mentorship etc.
I don’t know what was going on about the milk, but that kid needs to learn how not to smart off to cops and learn it quick. All lot of these unfortunate police confrontations could be avoided if people would tone down the testosterone when dealing with cops. It’s pointless, and you are not going to win against them whatever the situation.
Teach teenagers to tone down the testosterone when dealing with cops.
Teach cops to tone down the testosterone when dealing with teenagers.
Hmm, hmm. My tax dollars are going to pay one of these two groups. One of these two groups is a group of adults. Which solution, which solution? Hmm, hmm.
The only details in the article about who might have been behaving badly were these:
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The teen reacted in frustration after the officer’s rough handling, according to reports. Police said Ryan was charged with larceny for trying to “conceal” the free milk.
“I yanked away from him, I told him to get off of me because he’s not my dad,” Ryan told the local outlet.
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Not sure what the kid thinks “rough handling” is, but pulling away from a cop and mouthing off is guaranteed to result in escalation rather than de-escalation.
There are plenty of documented cases of cops handling an encounter badly, but far more often it’s the civilian who reacts badly. Cops occasionally make mistakes about whether an arrest is necessary or not, but even when an arrest is bullshit (as it may have been in this case), physically resisting will not make the officer rethink his decision. The officer is trained to maintain control of the situation; if an arrestee resists that control, the officer is trained to escalate as necessary to regain/maintain control.
Then the problem is bad police training. Society hires police to monitor crimes, not disrespectful behavior.
And another problem.is bringing law enforcement into mundane disciplinary situations in the first place. The cops should not be taking action at all in such cases.
Escalation doesn’t typically happen until/unless an arrestee stops following directions. When an officer says “turn around and put your hands behind your back,” and the arrestee says “fuck off, pig” and refuses to turn around, what should the officer do next? Say “please?”
Any time the officer cedes control during an encounter, he is rewarding the arrestee for his decision to resist and thereby encouraging resistance in the immediate and distant future. Escalating too rapidly is counterproductive as well - a taser in the above situation would be excessive - but an arrestee who refuses to submit to an arrest shouldn’t be surprised when he gets wrestled into a position where the cop can cuff him.
I don’t think the disrespectful behavior is the problem so much as the uncooperative behavior, i.e. the pulling away. The kid probably could have mouthed off plenty, but if the cop is trying to keep a grip on him, and the kid insists on preserving the option to flee the scene, well, there’s gonna be an escalation as the cop restores his grip. Pretty sure the kid did not get arrested for shouting “you’re not my dad.”
None of this seems appropriate to the circumstances. If a cop’s training doesn’t prepare him or her to adjust his response in a appropriate manner, then there is a problem with the training.
How much more evidence do we need that American police are out of control? Tazing a little black girl for riding her bike, handcuffing a young boy (don’t bother to click — of course he’s black) for “stealing” his own free milk. Et cetera, et cetera.
And yet some Dopers in both this thread and the tazed-bicyclist thread defend the cops and blame the victim.
About 99% of the victims are black. If they were white the U.S.A. would be in uproar.