Justin Timberlake cool? Yeah, right. If you say so

Without venturing into Pit territory–and I really mean that–I just can’t see what’s so hot about Justin Timberlake.

To little ol’ uneducated me, JT comes across as a nerdy little wuss who has somehow managed to parlay his faux street dialect and constipated dance moves into convincing the nation’s Suburban Mall 20somethings that he is a Major Talent. His singing strikes these ears as unexceptional, he isn’t rakishly handsome, and his life narrative (as versed as I am in it), doesn’t seem compelling or authentic.

Yet, there he be: a superstar.

Please do explain, while keeping the flame on low.

Let me reiterate: I am dumber than a brick about talent on JT’s rarefied level. I really do want an education, not a flamefest. Sorry if I didn’t sound an appropriate tone in my OP.

Eh. He doesn’t do much for me, but he can dance. I’m not particularly fond of his voice either.

I don’t really like his singing style (that boy-band voice with all the nasal tremolo). But he’s quite the talented comedic actor, at least on SNL sketches. He always steals the show in a very natural way without being hammy about it. He’s not afraid to make fun of himself and his popular image. He’s kind of grown on me in my old age.

Hes funny as hell everytime he is on SNL, thats the only reason i like him. I also heard he was extremely good in the movie Alpha Dog, so apparently the kid has acting and comedic talent. I don’t think i have ever heard an entire song of his so i can’t speak for his musical talent.

Well, I always thought he was a nebbish tool, but then that whole “Dick in a Box” thing made me laugh and his acting in Alpha Dog impressed me, too. I’m still not a huge fan of his music, but I like him a great deal more than I had, more for his performance presence than his singing.

I wouldn’t have thought that the way that he speaks is trying to play it street, though. He just sounds like a mildly dorky, soft-spoken Memphis native to me. Don’t you have to have some bass in your voice to be “street”?

Well, I don’t really care one way or the other about him, but at least he’s trying to put interesting music out there lately, which is more than I can say about most of the top 40 chart.

I think he’s an irritating pussy, and I’m just overcome with an urge to smash his face in whenever I hear him talk. Yes, he does try to “talk black,” but it’s faded quite a bit since his boy band days - try digging up an older interview on YouTube and you’ll be shocked at the difference. Anytime a white pussy tries to talk black, it drives me nuts, but JT always really seemed to take the cake with his wispy, flitty voice trying to “be street.” Of course, even he has nothing on those two Carter brothers, but that’s a whole OTHER thread.

Ahh, okay. I had honestly never listened to him speak a word until I saw clips from his most recent appearance on SNL. I don’t know how I got through my adolescence without ever hearing anything out of him. I suppose I was far more militant in my hatred of pop idols than I ever gave myself credit for.

For some reason, I feel the need to defend Justin Timberlake, so I will note that he has actually undergone quite a renaissance in the past few years–if you hadn’t noticed. He is no longer merely a former boybander joke: his ability to create pretty amazing pop music and his collaborations with Timbaland, etc. have earned him a certain amount of grudging critical praise, especially with regard to his latest album, FutureSex/LoveSounds. For example, it received a score of 8.1/10 at Pitchfork Media, the love-to-hate it ultra-snobby indie-kid music site–no small feat for a former boybander.

So why is he so famous? Well, at the very least, though, he has a great eye for producers and a remarkable talent for picking the right songs. I mean, yeah, it has pretty dumb lyrics and a silly (yet catchy) title–but SexyBack is a brilliant pop song. I mean, it probably helped that he was already famous–but he also released a shitload of really quite good pop songs, both in his first solo album, Justified (Rock Your Body, Cry Me a River, Senorita, etc.) and in his second (SexyBack, and probably others I’m not familiar with). I personally would take his albums over most of the crappy bastard sons of grunge rock that still haunts the airwaves of “alternative” radio these days.

For the record, I think he’s funny-looking and has never been particularly attractive, but that doesn’t have anything to do with his music.

I started a thread about Alpha Dog which got one reply, so I don’t think the movie was very popular here on the Dope - and I don’t blame anyone, since the previews didn’t make it look very good. My overall point in that thread was that Timberlake did a fine job in the movie, and that the “haters” were unjustified. I never liked NSync, I’ve never listened to his solo music, and the only reason I saw Alpha Dog was because I already knew about the Jesse James Hollywood case from America’s Most Wanted - but I was pleasantly surprised by Timberlake’s performance. He shouldn’t be written off just because he was in a boy band.

part of the thing you have to understand is that little girls have a totally different idea of male attractiveness than teenagers or adults.

Little girls don’t like the bad boy or the brooding, wounded guy or the sensitive guy.

They like the one with the blond curls, cute smile, and baby face. The ones my friends liked were Justin and Nick with Brian and Lance coming in a little behind them (I have no idea who was from which group) and all the others appealing more to the older girls.

So when people branched out… Justin was already the ones the little girls loved, so everyone sort of had it in their head that he was the most popular. Then he went out with Britney Spears, who (at the time) a good number of little girls also loved… because she was young and famous, I guess. Which we all wanted to be. So now there’s the girl all the girls want to be dating the boy all the girls want to date… which, somehow, made everybody love them both more.

And then I lost track and stopped caring, but I think he exposed Janet Jackson’s boob.

He manages to get the babes. Something that seems particularly unfair, in amongst all his other steaming piles of good fortune.

He was on the first episode of Punked that I ever saw. The joke was that he owed back taxes so all of his posessions were being removed from his home. The movers even took his dog :eek:. At one point someone put their foot through what he thought was one of his guitars.

Through the whole mess he never gave any attitude and was completely respectful. I didn’t think much of him until I saw that show. It changed my mind.

Very informative. Many thanks!

Yeah, that’s it. How do people reconcile the “nebbish tool” and “mildly dorky” persona with his oh-so-cool hip-hop, SexyBack image? The discontinuity verges on a complete disconnect for me.

His dancing is good, but if I want to see really accomplished dancing, my mind turns to talent such as in “Stomp the Yard.” Admittedly, it’s an entirely different style, but the skill levels seem night and day.

Re: his SNL appearances. I agree. He was funny. :wink:

To understand the appeal of Justin Timberlake, I recommend listening to his record.

Even in my Alternative Nation teenage years I could tell that *NSync were much better than the Backstreet Boys. “Bye Bye Bye” had much more pep and verve than its Backstreet analogue, “Backstreet’s Back,” and the ballad “Gone” had an R&B edge that the Boys ballads never hinted at. And of *NSync, Justin was the clear star.

He made the transition to solo act well, both in terms of artistry and career management; his debut single, “Like I Love You” had a hot Neptunes beat and a guest verse from the Clipse, a Virginia rap duo that raps almost exclusively about dealing coke (they’re The Wire recast as a hip hop act). He could have collaborated with Nelly, a far more pop-oriented Neptunes affiliate who would have been much more recognizable to his audience and far less risky. Instead, he chose the respected street act, and it paid off - “Like I Love You” had just enough thug in it to drag Timberlake out of the boy band for good.

His debut, Justified was solid and wore its Michael Jackson influences on its sleeve. But if you’re going to claim yourself as a modern day Michael, then you need the songs to back it up, and Justified delivered these in spades, from the disco of “Rock Your Body” to the operatic overtones of “Cry Me A River.”

Having staked out a claim as a legitimate pop star, he used FutureSex/LoveSounds as his bid for importance. This album is best heard in full - there are interludes, tracks that work to sustain the mood and flow, and an overarching asthetic that isn’t quite communicated solely by listening to the singles. It’s the sort of album that is greater than the sum of its parts, the compelling work of a pop star pushing the envelope. He introduced a lot of Prince influence on many of these tracks, and that seems to be his intended career arc; having established himself as a legitimate pop star, he wants to establish himself as a legitimate artist.

This is one of the interesting things about Timberlake. He is always pushing his music one step beyond what it needs to be. His debut didn’t need to be anywhere near as good as it was; he could have coasted on his boy band wave and got healty sales simply because he was Justin. But if he’d done that we’d have forgotten all about him by now; he went the more difficult route and was rewarded with a career. It was the same with his second album. Having comfortably worked his way into Usher-style R&B pop singer niche, he could have served up more of the same and done well for himself. Instead he worked mostly with one producer to make a record with a cohesive, innovative sound, and as a result, he’s turned himself into something approaching an artist. In the interviews leading up to the release of FS/LS, he’d invoke names like David Byrne, and although he may not be at Talking Heads level, it’s important that he was aiming for that.

The OP described his singing as unexceptional, which sort of misses the point. Timberlake’s voice isn’t fantastic, but he uses it well. That sort of thin tenor (or whatever it is - I’m not good at vocal terminology) could easily get lost and anonymous in the middle of a pop song, but Timberlake instead gets it to float ethereally above the busy beats and clicks Timbaland conjures for him. Listen to “My Love” - the vocal performance isn’t anything to write home about in itself, but the way it interplays with the trance synthesizer is something very special. And Timberlake performs the song well - his phrasing, his delivery - it all goes into making his uninteresting lyrics much better than they should be.

You should also remember that having a good voice and making good music are two very different things. Take American Idol, for instance, which spends weeks getting contestants to show off their vocal gymnastics, apparently under the theory that procuring a talented vocalist is the most necessary step to procuring a good pop song. In real life though, once the show is over, the Idol flounders because he or she has been selected on their voice rather than their ability to so good music. It’s telling that the Idol winners who have gone on to success did so with songs that didn’t need a good voice to perform. Kelly Clarkson had hits because she had well written songs, not because they were particularly difficult to sing. Likewise, Carrie Underwood, though she can belt out a country tune, has benefited more from her ability to give a believable performance than a technically accomplished one. Timberlake’s vocal ability is not important, it’s his performing ability that is behind is success.

You could suggest that he merely has benefited from working with talented collaborators, and while it’s true he has worked with the best, he should not be dismissed as a puppet. Timbaland, for instance is very talented, but with the wrong talent he can turn out uninpired to middling work. Justin complements him in a way few singers have since Aaliyah, and their relationship has Timberlake as a collaborator rather than a marionette.

I liked Justified better than the new album, except for Sexxyback, which is a brilliant song. It’s just a really good pop album. Whatever you want to say about them, Justin Timberlake/Christina Aguilera/Kelly Clarkson and Brit Brit have put out some songs that are going to be long-standing pop classics. Brit Brit kinda peaked with Toxic, though. They’ve all ripped off a lot of what came before, but made it sort of different (Justin with Jackson esp.)

This is coming from someone who likes so-called alternative/indie pretentious music. I’ll always try out a JT record.

I don’t think he’s so bad, and I mostly like music like Misfits, Nine Inch Nails, and Metallica.

Wow, E-bow. I just kinda liked him. After what you’ve written, I’m gonna have to give him a new listen.