Or the Judean People’s Front
As far as I’m concerned, they’re both bubbleheads. How chickenshit is it to place a car bomb? If you’re gonna murder innocents, then have the stones to do it out in the open where some good citizen can properly dispatch your ass to whatever hell you’re surely going to.
GIven that, who gives a fuck what religion you belong to?
Sweeping bigotted generalizations are not saved by restatement.
Plenty and as this has been treated time and time again on the boards, I am deeply disappointed you posed the question.
There is a vast difference between focusing on extremists and smearing a large body of believers with blind bigotry.
Wrong. Rather clearly bigotted and wrong, which should be clear enough.
That does kinda depend on who gets to dole the lable of terrorist, doesn’t it?. DTC has a good point that no home grown groups are on that list. Why not? Haven’t they employed the same tactics (except for suicide bombings. our nutjobs want to live to strike again)?
Clearly we have a difference of opinion, Collounsbury.
I have no problem whatsoever with treating terrorists like war criminals. They want to play at being combatants, than they can pay the consequences when people fire back at them.
Other than that, I have no problems with the rest of what you said, except to say that the last statement is not something that I believe, but something I have observed, so your rebuke wasn’t necessary.
And also, I never saw the answer to that question in the many other threads that exist, but now that I know I’ll not ask again. Fair enough?
The point is, the US citizens hear mostly about Muslim terrorists. If even a modicum of reporting was done on countries in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia, it will become clear that terrorism co-exists with a number of causal factors, which have little to do with any particular religion. It is important to distinguish correlation and causation.
India has 120 million muslims (half the population of the US) and how many Indian Muslim citizens do you think are in this large list of terrorist organizations, or elsewhere? It is more food for thought if you consider that they are for the most part in the economic lower class, continue to be a victim of the India-Pak conflict, and are living in a nation that is by the day increasingly hostile to them.
milroyj, the only time you ever post is to show your mindless hatred for Muslims who comprise 1 billion people on this planet, and the majority of whom are like you and me. I only pray there comes a time when you would be cleansed of this divisive hatred.
What is the difference between being a terrorist and implimenting Kalt’s ideas?
And why wouldn’t such actions rip the USA apart?
BTW, there are no bubbeheads in Ireland – only people on both sides who have paid a cost that is too dear.
Why Milly comes by
Very nice, now he seems to have bolded what he believes are Islamic orgs. A mild corrective is in order.
Without adding to the list, some corrections, in both directions then:
Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Shinrikyo
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah (Party of God)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) [opposition in Uzbekistan, see below]
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
Kahane Chai (Kach)
***[Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) a.k.a. Kurdistan Freedom and Democracy Congress (KADEK) *** [added, Kurds are Muslims too of course, although on the other hand these fellows are secular, but then Milly includes secular folks below]
**Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous) [Kashmir, anti Indian]
Lashkar i Jhangvi ** [Pakistani org, the real thing]
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
**Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) ** [Secular anti Iranian org]
National Liberation Army (ELN)
*Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC) * [These are of course secular organizations, the PLF moribund since 1990; the PFLP was founded and led by a Christian, George Habash and is Marxist, but I suppose so long as Arabs are attached, it’s “Islamic” eh?; the GC is a splinter.]
al-Qa’ida
Real IRA
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People’s Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
**Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC) **
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)
Communist Party of the Philippines/New People’s Army (CPP/NPA) **
Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI) **
Now among the problems with this list is that counting orgs becomes deceptive when some splinter but really are the same thing, and others do not. al-Qaeda, listed seperately from Jihaad? Really subsets. Also some organziations on here are moribund, have been for a decade. Politics I suppose keeps them on the list, not actual operations.
Further, the list appears to entirely neglect Africa where we have such fun organizations as the Army of God, Uganda which appears to have a bizarro Xian Fundy orientation, various Liberian organizations that might be characterized as terrorist should we care about them, also come to mind.
Now, it should be fairly clear to those who think about this that the strong figuring of Middle Eastern groups doubtless has something to do with some very specific circumstances (Oil) that leads the US (justifiably on many levels) to come into conflict with what might otherwise be purely local affaires, like our Uganda fellows.
I am also amused by the figuring of the Uzbeki organization - and can not help to wonder if this is not a little payoff for some recent Uzbek aide in the ongoing Afghan unpleasantness. Uzbekistan for those of you who do not know, which I presume is most of you, is an extremely nasty dictatorship. It’s our friend now, but a very nasty one. Hardly a surprise that a brutal oppressive regime has generated resistance movements. Roll the clock back 30 years and our Uzbek terrorists there would be freedom fighters.
So you’re saying that the IRA is really not a terrorist organization?
I would add that the relevance of my comment in re moribund organizations on the list is tht if we are going to keep Palestinian (secular) orgs on the list which last committed terror acts more than 10 years ago, then groups like the the various “Red” European terror groups, some still operative in Greece now should be on the list.
Just a little suggestive for those of you who wish to enage in mindless org counting on a State list.
I can’t believe the news today…
Let me also add something alarming that I noticed here, and is prevalent in the mass media. If someone smears all Muslims alike with the murderers-and-savages label, and when rightly called a bigot, they play a martyr’s role by claiming that they are being persecuted for daring to speak the truth that none of us want to confront.
This allows a number of logical fallacies to creep in:
“We are depriving ourselves of security because we are being politically correct, and are afraid of being called bigoted.”
This is a restatement of **Airman’s ** first post, and one I hear a lot of times in the media. It is a fallacy. I don’t remember the last time those who made the case that Islam is not a terrorist religion also advocate that Islamic terrorist organizations be allowed to flourish or terrorists be negotiated with. The latter is especially a popular fallacy parroted on talk-shows.
Airman also said:
I don’t really know what to do to stop the suicide bombings, but what Kalt said, while extreme, is actually a fairly popular opinion with a lot of people right now, right or wrong.
Yes, what you say is sadly true. I believe it is due to the extensive reporting on Muslim terrorists and the spin and hatred that accompany these reports, and which pervade the media waves.
Just today, while having lunch, I was reading a column by a national columnist who warns about Muslims in the US breeding like rabbits and soon becoming large-enough in size to subvert (I swear, that is the word he used) the democratic process by placing Muslims at the helm of this country. This was one of the most depressing things I have read in recent times, right in the middle of a national newspaper.
OK, litost. I see your point. But look at things from my perspective.
Compare it to racial profiling here. Having never been to jail, I assume that everyone there is there for a reason, since I never did anything wrong that would warrant jail. I also see that the majority of the people in jail are minorities.
From that, I conclude that minorities get in trouble far more often than whites. Fair conclusion, right?
Then you come along and tell me that the proof right in front of my face is wrong, because there’s a bias in the system.
You tell me then, what am I supposed to believe, given the circumstances. I see Muslims flying the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, I see them bombing hotels in Riyadh, I see them blowing up Israelis, but you tell me that I can’t take a closer look at the people who are quite obviously committing the same crimes I’m seeing, since although they are the ones committing the crimes the vast majority of them are innocent?
That, to me, is hard to swallow, even as it is in fact the right thing to do. You understand where I’m coming from here?
Where would I have implied that my dear Airman?
That was for Zoe. Sorry for the confusion.
What I do not understand is this.
If 100% of all terrorist acts, for EXAMPLE ONLY, were committed by men, why is there such outrage when women are not checked as often as men?
What I do not understand is this.
If 100% of all terrorist in Africa , for EXAMPLE ONLY, never commit terrorist attacks in the this country, why are we at fault for not checking all African nationals as closely as we do other National groups in connection with terrorist activities here.
What I don’t understand is this.
If no terrorist has ever been noted to be over 75 years old, for EXAMPLE ONLY, why are we taken to task for not checking the elderly as often as we check the age group that 100% of the known terrorist come from?
For a far more extensive list of terrorist groups ( and para-states, but most on this list qualify as at least somewhat terroristic ) than the State Dept. list above, you might try here for starters:
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/
Even that list is hardly definitive, neglecting Boeremag ( http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeremag ), among others.
Everybody always forgets the Bavarian Liberation Army ( for those not in the know, they’re an Austrian neo-Nazi group that has claimed responsibility for several murders ) and the Breton Revolutionary Army ( a socialist group that has committed several bombings ).
- Tamerlane
<You tell me then, what am I supposed to believe, given the circumstances. I see Muslims flying the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, I see them bombing hotels in Riyadh, I see them blowing up Israelis, but you tell me that I can’t take a closer look at the people who are quite obviously committing the same crimes I’m seeing, since although they are the ones committing the crimes the vast majority of them are innocent?>
Tell me what you mean by a closer look.
Be vigilant. Hunt them. Find where they are, what they are planning… capture them, stop them, arrest them, prosecute them. Use the power of the state.
All of the above needs to be done. Is there something I am missing in your question?
Forgot the smiley, there - The BLA and BRA are real, but I was making an unfortunately over-subtle joke about their obscurity :).
- Tamerlane
Wow Tamerlane. That is some list!