Nope.
Because I don’t trust tou (gun person) as far as I can throw you.
I don’t want to be around people who can kill me with the twitch of a finger. Who are you (gun person) to impose a society full of such potential instant killers on the rest of us?
Your study IS the Kellerman study, which has been completely debunked, as I quoted.
My driving teacher taught us to do that, but just in case the car in front of you died. Today I still do it, but, like you, for safety reasons. In some of the sketchier parts of town, I even try to make a mental note as to whether or not I’ll be able to make a u-turn across the boulevard if need be.
Then don’t break into my home.
Notice that I kept my arguments specifically to self-defense scenarios of being trapped in your car in real danger of being beaten and in your home when an intruder breaks in. So again, don’t try to beat people in their car and don’t break into people’s homes.
Yeah without a shadow of a doubt. Like not even a seconds hesitation. Even considering just myself not the wider social implications I would happily risk the tiny chance of being beaten to death by a stranger I am unable to escape (in a car, which is both faster and more resistant to blows than most humans), to avoid the much greater risk I just shot some jackass who has poor anger management and wanted to yell at me for cutting him off (or countless other bad outcomes of carrying a gun that are far far more likely than the incredibly unlikely scenario you described)
I am not. That does not make me a bad person nor should I be denied a CCW permit strictly for self-defense if I am in that position. And that is not a bad thing.
Do you think shooting anyone who is angry and walking towards you is appropriate?
Where is the line drawn?
And that’s your choice. I will choose to defend myself, with my 9 mm if necessary.
Choice is a good thing.
So all is good. Unless you’re not pro-choice…
A very tough call, depending a lot on facts and circumstances- say someone is a small and frail senior woman, and coming toward her is a big angry guy with a baseball bat or tire iron- then the gun may be the right solution.
But say you are a large fit guy, and coming towards you is a small frail woman with nothing but a purse- then no, a gun is not the solution.
How much do you sincerely fear for your life?
And therein lies the problem. Who is to say that you weren’t afraid for your life?
We are making individuals judges, juries and executioners at a traffic light. Maybe you are a more nervous person than I am and that is the difference between someone being shot and killed or maimed.
I mean you absolutely should. It’s completely insane that society allows people to wonder round with lethal firearms in case they decide to get into a road rage altercation and feel threatened by the other party. But that’s the society we live in, neither you, I, Kamala Harris or Donald Trump are going to change that.
Though that’s a very different matter to the OP. I would not be happy if the Democratic candidate came out 100% guns blazing (sic 
) for concealed carry. Plenty of moderate voters are not happy about concealed carry laws, being against or ambivalent to them is not an extreme position that is guaranteed to lose votes (not that’s it’s something Harris should be sticking her oar into at this point).
That right there shows why your argument and reality are only tangentally related. The victim of road-rage does not “choose” to be in an incident and often flees the danger if the opportunity is there - which is not always the case.
And not everyone should have to take a beating by an ahole or get raped, beaten or killed in their own home because YOU choose to take that chance.
Let’s say you’re Dr, Strange and can see the future. Scenario 1: a woman is denied a gun under the “Griffin Law” and she gets beaten an raped in her own home. Scenario 2: She has a gun and is able to defend herself with no harm to anyone other than her attacker.
Would you still deny her a gun?
Wow. Listen to you guys squabble like children in need of a nap.
The real focus should be how Kamala Harris is completely full of shit. On top of her flip flopping and lying on her real position on every other issue now she’s trying to come across as a gun totin’ NRA card carrying mama. And people are dumb enough to fall for it. I remember when John Kerry tried this nonsense too. Luckily most saw him for the phony he was.
I invite you to research what Biden and Harris campaigned on in 2020. One of their plans was to get semi-automatic firearms classified like a Class 3 (full auto) firearms. What a bureaucratic nightmare that would be, resulting in a lot of otherwise law abiding people becoming criminals.
Harris is not a liberal, she is a leftist. And she is in no way, shape, or form a friend to any gun owner except herself.
She mentioned owning a gun in 2019 so this is not a new thing. It seems reasonable she had it before that.
Why is that being full of shit or flip-flopping?
Actually it should be how she got a CCW in a state that does everything it can to deny them to ordinary citizenry.
You are driving your home round? The fact that the state allows you to drive round in public carrying a lethal firearm in case you feel scared and want to shoot someone is insane.
Just absolutely off the charts bonkers, it seems normal as we’ve been acclimatized to it. No rational society should allow it. But I think it’s been well established that we do not live in a rational society
She’s wasn’t an ordinary citizen:
A longtime Harris associate based in California told CNN it was not unusual for prosecutors to own a firearm for self-protection, given the kinds of people and cases they often oversee in their jobs. - SOURCE
IIRC District Attorneys and Attorney Generals do not receive any special protection. But they are responsible to put some very dangerous people away. Seems reasonable she (and any other DA) could make a case to the state that they needed a gun. And, given recent supreme court rulings, just how far do you think California can go to restrict gun ownership?
So I might help if you accurately address the road-rage scenario I gave and not your strawman. The scenario I gave was that the person in the car is trapped by traffic and the person is in the process of breaking their window to get at them. That is a more reasonable scenario of being in fear for your safety for your life than merely being scared because he is by his truck yelling at you.
And what about this?
When I lived in Cali, many people made similar arguments of why they needed a gun for protection. Pretty much a 100% denial rate.
You mean after June 23, 2022? But Harris had her gun in 2019 so that doesn’t apply.
Meh, the people upset here were voting for Trump anyway. They’re hunting for an excuse and will undoubtedly find one eventually.