Did you really think her comment was that funny? I didn’t think it was that much out of the ordinary to be funny.
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Nah, because God doesn’t value talents the same way we do. He gives each person talents…it’s not his fault that we as a society value those who can throw a ball through a hoop or hit a ball with a stick.
When you think about it, what on earth makes those talents “better” than a talent for street sweeping? At least when the street sweeper is done, the street is clean.
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True enough…however, I’d classify street sweeping as an ability rather than a talent. Talent implies abilities that very few people have. Nearly anyone can sweep a street.
Not to say I value sports abilities/talents to any degree. As you said, street sweeping is certainly more useful to society as a whole.
[QUOTE=blondebear]
Kathy did a short interview with a Karel, a KGO talkshow host. She was of the opinion that “Jesus can take it”. If HE was offended, she would have been smote(?) by now.
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Smitten.
[QUOTE=Reepicheep]
To the best of my knowledge (and not having seen the Catholic League’s response I am going on hearsay) no one has questioned her right to say what she did. The Catholic League asked a private agency that her remarks not be broadcast during said private agency’s awards show (which all parties knew going in was going to be highly edited according to Exapno Madcase). Her remarks were not broadcast during the awards show. However, those same remarks have been broadcast and rebroadcast during multiple news sequences by other private agencies.
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So really… Kathy gets publicity, Bill Donohue gets publicity, and everyone’s happy.
For the record, Bill Donohue’s statement:
I’m sorry, but unless I missed the part where she said “And Christians are bad, stupid people”, foul-mouthed she may be, but a bigot she is not. And she owes no one an apology.
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Want to hear something REALLY offensive:
Quote:
I think if Jesus Christ had lived in this day and age, he would have advised his disciples to get a permit and carry a gun because as Ben Franklin liked to remind people “God helps them that helps themselves.” (Poor Richard’s Almanac)
This from Lars Larson, local conservative radio talk show host.
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Except that Jesus did say something very much like that.
I suppose it would be roughly equivalent if some white person got an award and said, “that dead nigger Martin Luther King Jr. had nothing to do with this award. Suck it, Martin - this award is my civil right!”
Regards,
Shodan
Yup, it’s exactly like that. Except that Kathy Griffin didn’t actually say anything derogatory about Jesus comparable to calling him a nigger. And except for MLK being a real person, with living descendants, whom no one ever claimed is some sort of favor-bestowing deity. But other than that, same thing. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=DianaG]
Yup, it’s exactly like that. Except that Kathy Griffin didn’t actually say anything derogatory about Jesus comparable to calling him a nigger. And except for MLK being a real person, with living descendants, whom no one ever claimed is some sort of favor-bestowing deity. But other than that, same thing. :rolleyes:
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I thought the idea was that insulting the dead is no big deal, even if living people admire and try to emulate the person in question.
But of course, no PC Scotsman would insult MLK.
Regards,
Shodan
Really? Because I thought *your * idea was to imply that “Suck it” is exactly like “nigger”. And I’m glad I’m apparently incorrect, because *that * idea is frankly retarded.
:shrugs:
Both are intended to be insulting. As I mentioned, if you want to argue that it is acceptable to insult someone who is a real person, and who is admired and emulated, then it goes for MLK as much as for Jesus, or more.
Regards,
Shodan
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:shrugs:
Both are intended to be insulting. As I mentioned, if you want to argue that it is acceptable to insult someone who is a real person, and who is admired and emulated, then it goes for MLK as much as for Jesus, or more.
Regards,
Shodan
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What if you don’t think Jesus was a real person, but only a mythological creation?
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What if you don’t think Jesus was a real person, but only a mythological creation?
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Then you need to talk to your college’s history professors.
[QUOTE=FriarTed]
Then you need to talk to your college’s history professors.
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I point you to the twelve zillion threads right here on the Dope that show conclusively that there is no non-Biblical pre-Gospel authority for the physical existence of Jesus as a real person.
Given those, it is a reasonable position for some people to hold that Jesus is a mythological creation. Since Shodan is so insistent on the ludicrous comparison of calling MLK a nigger to telling Jesus to suck it because they are both “real people,” the question remains. If you don’t think that Jesus is real - and since Bill Donohue keeps calling Kathy Griffin a “complete militant atheist” it’s possible that she now holds this view - what standards are to be applied to people affirming their personal religious beliefs?
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase]
I point you to the twelve zillion threads right here on the Dope that show conclusively that there is no non-Biblical pre-Gospel authority for the physical existence of Jesus as a real person.
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And how many history professors do you know who insist that the only legitimate evidence has to be both extrabiblical and pre-gospel?
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I suppose it would be roughly equivalent if some white person got an award and said, “that dead nigger Martin Luther King Jr. had nothing to do with this award. Suck it, Martin - this award is my civil right!”
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I don’t think your statement is equivalent at all. Her statement is relevant in that many people thank their deity of choice for seemingly innocuous awards and accomplishments. While I don’t dispute that MLK was a great man, he is not regularly held up as a deity.
If you simply substitute MLK’s name into Kathy Griffin’s statement, it’s: “A lot of people come up here and thank Martin Luther King Jr. for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Martin Luther King Jr.. Suck it, Martin Luther King Jr.. This award is my god now!”
Doesn’t really make any sense, does it? Your argument only holds emotional impact for having used the word nigger, but there is no equivalent in KG’s statement, so it doesn’t really fit.
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I point you to the twelve zillion threads right here on the Dope that show conclusively that there is no non-Biblical pre-Gospel authority for the physical existence of Jesus as a real person.
Given those, it is a reasonable position for some people to hold that Jesus is a mythological creation. Since Shodan is so insistent on the ludicrous comparison of calling MLK a nigger to telling Jesus to suck it because they are both “real people,” the question remains. If you don’t think that Jesus is real - and since Bill Donohue keeps calling Kathy Griffin a “complete militant atheist” it’s possible that she now holds this view - what standards are to be applied to people affirming their personal religious beliefs?
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You are using SDMB threads as your cite?!?!
Try using that in a college history paper positing that Jesus did not exist.
Btw, I bet MLK would take more offense at hearing “Suck it, Jesus” than being called a nigger.
[QUOTE=FriarTed]
Btw, I bet MLK would take more offense at hearing “Suck it, Jesus” than being called a nigger.
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No way to really know for sure of course, but that would have made a hell of a bet for two rich guys 40 years ago. Movies began due to a reward offered by Leland Stanford to settle a bet about horse’s hooves, maybe this one could inspire time travel if we could just get some billionaires curious enough that they had to have the answer, hang the cost…
I just love the fact that Kathy Griffin is getting beaucoups of publicity from the Daytime Emmies (a show not broadcast and that nobody would watch if it was). Donohue has done more to promote her show than Bravo has recently. (Of course my favorite Donohue slam is still the South Park episode where he orders his men to kill Jesus because “he’s speaking against the church!”.)
[QUOTE=FriarTed]
You are using SDMB threads as your cite?!?!
Try using that in a college history paper positing that Jesus did not exist.
Btw, I bet MLK would take more offense at hearing “Suck it, Jesus” than being called a nigger.
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Nice evading of the question. Now would you mind answering it?
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:shrugs:
Both are intended to be insulting.
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No, she did not intend to be insulting. She meant to be satiric. How many people thank MLK for winning an Oscar/Tony/Emmy/SuperBowl/WorldSeries/Olympics/USOpen/Wimbledon, etc.?
Nobody!
But they thank God all the time. She was poking fun at a cliched response that also trivializes whatever larger purpose God may have in the Universe. I’m sure she knew she would ruffle a few feathers when she said it, but I’d wager her purpose wasn’t to gratuitously insult anybody, but get a laugh by subverting a rather (on-the-surface) meaningless award-time convention.
Your analogy is incredibly stupid.
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I just love the fact that Kathy Griffin is getting beaucoups of publicity from the Daytime Emmies (a show not broadcast and that nobody would watch if it was).
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This wasn’t a daytime Emmy. This was at the first wave of primetime Emmys awarded (shows like 24, 30 Rock, Ugly Betty, SNL and many others won awards at the same ceremony). Since there are so many categories in the Emmys, there are two ceremonies. This one doesn’t get telecast (primarily because it largely consists of industry craftspeople and very few celebrities), but it counts the same in the final Emmy tally for primetime awards.