Moderating:
We don’t have a formal list of banned words, though one of the minced oaths above is generally gendered, despite many, many threads about it’s use in various non-American English speaking nations (including the one mentioned in this thread). So that one should be avoided especially if it had been applied to a woman.
P&E is already a contentious forum. Does adding the insult make your point better? Especially if it can get people flagged by their company’s internal spyware. If your goal is to rant, that’s better suited to the Pit. But again, not forbidden unless it starts steering the discussion away from the subject, which it has here.
No warnings, despite some very minor Jr. Modding, but let’s keep the discussion to Keir Starmer. An additional comment to @colinfred, if someone wants to use a minced oath, for whatever reason, that’s their choice. Your comment about “Stop this nonsense” was approaching attacking the poster, not the post. Again, NO warning, but avoid that.
This moderation is less about the language used (with the proviso above), but about being extremely off topic for the P&E thread. Discussions of rules/moderation should be in ATMB as you all know. I’ve chosen to hide most of the off-topic discussion to prevent it from being revived by the inevitable late comers.
Yeah, the police obviously made a terrible call in this case, but it seems to have been a really unusual situation.
I’ve worked security in the UK, which is very much not police, but it involved a lot of interactions with them. Almost every time I saw someone getting cuffed they tried to loudly claim something to get out of it - the cuffs were too tight, they had an arm injury, they had a sick mother waiting in the car outside, anything that might work. Police are used to random lies in that situation, it’s practically routine.
It was dark, they couldn’t see any obvious signs of serious injury and the perpetrator had called them pretending to be a victim, backed up by an upset family who appeared like decent, normal people- varyingly due to ignorance or family loyalty. It was also a crazy thing to do on the part of the perpetrator; the police are taking away the person you stabbed, they are going to notice the stab wound at some point. It doesn’t matter how good your acting is. Should the police automatically assume that anyone calling them for help may actually be a dangerous criminal?
It also only took a couple of minutes for the police to realise the mistake. It wasn’t like they chucked him in a cell and left him overnight, they attempted first aid when they realised something was actually wrong.
In 99% of the situations that looked similar they would have been acting appropriately. They just didn’t spot the freak outlier. I bet they also feel terrible about it.
Get your snobbish metropolitan terminology right. These people are chavs, not gammons. Gammons are older, better-off Brexit supporters who are unlikely to live in Southampton, and wouldn’t have the inclination, or frankly the energy, to throw things at police officers.
I can’t speak to chavs vs gammons.
But they’re still idjits in thrall to RW propaganda filling their minds with anger and simple emotive slogans.
Yeah, i really dont see this as a giant ending of a government controversy.
A reminder that when a police officer stabbed Sarah Everard, Nigel Farage’s message was very different:
What an absolute [minced word].
Quite. AIUI, the judge said specifically that the victim was bleeding internally, and with the combination of dark clothing and general darkness the police officers couldn’t necessarily see signs of wounding.