Yeah, Kennedy’s bodyguards were a big help.
Ok, if it’s limited to US presidential assassins, I have to admit Oswald didn’t have the guts to shoot from close range. And his masterful plot escape plot was absolutely foolproof, especially the part where he gets killed in police custody.
Well, no assassin tried using a handgun at point blank range on Kennedy, did they?
You are missing the point. We are not saying Oswald was a genius, we are saying he had thought it out slightly more than the crazies with handguns.
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We are not saying Oswald was a genius, we are saying he had thought it out slightly more than the crazies with handguns.
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He also had the experience of easily escaping suspicion for his assassination attempt on General Walker, which likely increased his delusional expectation of escape.
I agree, though, that Oswald had no apparent escape plan, and I’ve often wondered if he had formulated any sort of scheme in his mind. Maybe he anticipated some long trial, where he’d be famous for his political pontificating, and was so screwed up that he couldn’t conceptualize the ultimate punishment (and certainly didn’t expect his actual demise at Ruby’s hand). At that point in his life, maybe he just didn’t care. Loser loner types are like that.
You know they convicted someone for that, right? That’s one better than they got with Oswald. Okay, he was innocent. The police picked someone and built a case against him. Palme’s wife was standing next to him and was brough in for an ID parade, and told the suspect was an alcoholic. She, being a medical doctor, identified the suspect with the words “it’s clear which one is the alcoholic”. Which is pretty much what I think happened with Oswald: they picked the one who chose the day with the big happening to skive off for the afternoon, found out he’d been to the soviet union and immediately turned everything they gathered against him.
Also, i raise you an Also Moro: killers never found. Even the body was only found when the killers tipped off the police. Not American, I know, probably killed by a conspiracy of either covert Communist terrorists or fascists pretending to be Communists, depending on whose side you’re on.
She, Paine, passed to the police the evidence, paperwork that is, which linked Oswald to the identity of AJ HIdell.
But the identity he brought it under was AJ Hiddell. Which, if we’re following the common sense you advocate down at the bottom of this post, is slightly odd. He was in Texas. He could have walked into a gun shop and got a rifle without doing any paperwork at all, rather than ordering a gun through the interstate mails under a false identity. I’m not saying he never saw the gun, nor even that he didn’t order it, I’m saying his landlady was the source of the documentation which conclusively linked the two together.
Yes, he probably too a gun to work that day. Might not have known he had done, mind.
If he went to work with a rifle on his back and a plan to sit in the window and blow away the president, then walk out the front door and go home, why the hell wouldn’t he take the handgun to work with him too? Why leave it where he can’t use it in his escape, then go back for it after he’s escaped? On the other hand, if someone had asked him to take the rifle in with him, then he’d figured out what had happened and gone on the run, then it would make sense to get the gun first. Not to say that’s what happened, but the idea that going to pick up the gun is evidence of premeditation and guilt is actually pretty much the opposite of what you’d expect.
Maybe she was nagging him? Maybe he was worried about things going missing from his lodging house?
No, the job of the police is to be lead by the evidence to a suspect, not to pick a suspect and then gather evidence aimed specifically against him. In fact that’s exactly what Oswald himself said the police were doing while he was being paraded before the press: targeting him because he had been to the Soviet Union.
I focused on Oswald in the other thread, where I pointed out his intelligence connections.
You know what you would get if you went into a gun shop in Texas? A choice of new-in-the-box Hunting rifles and handguns. Know what you probably wouldn’t be able to get? Super low-cost surplus military WW2 rifles and handguns.
Sorry, the Stone argument of ‘any gun shop’ ignores Oswald’s budget.
Because without a holster or another bag to hold the handgun he has to keep it on his person. You might recall that the book depository was Oswald’s JOB and he was expected to work. I recall he was even helping with installing a new floor on that day. Try doing some flooring work with a handgun stuck in your waistband.
No, it was the documentation that linked Oswald and the gun. That’s what police work consists of; getting a lead and tracking it down to obtain proof. Oswald owned the PO Box where it was sent, and he’s not the first perp to adopt an alias.
I’m not sure what the second sentence means, but if he brought a rifle to work, then why WOULDN’T he be the prime suspect in the case?
No, it’s evidence of consciousness of guilt. And a poorly planned escape.
It’s unusual for a " Lone Nut " assassin to use the unreliable and risky method of long range sniping for their method of execution.
Usually assassins [ Booth, Czolgosz, Chernozemski, Guiteau, Sirhan, Chapman, Godse ] prefer the ease and familiarity of an up and close handgun job, no chance of error or a missed shot, of course the downside is the chance of escape is very small.
Why go through the rigmarole of buying a rifle, smuggling it to work, finding a suitable quiet sniper’s spot on the sixth floor, rather than just run up to the car and blast in a few shots ?
I think the answer is found in your post - it makes escape more likely. Plus, it was something that Oswald had training in, and was something he had previously attempted when he shot at the General.
Or are you suggesting that your questions about the M.O. of the killing leads you to doubt that Oswald actually did these things? That the “rigamarole” means it didn’t happen, and he didn’t buy the rifle and smuggle it to work?
Well that would have entailed Oswald actually getting more details about the President’s visit that he might have had available from the old newspapers in the lunch room. Chasing after a motorcade firing a gun isn’t a very proven method either
Well, Oswald didn’t buy the gun to shoot the President. He wanted a rifle because he fancied he was a revolutionary. Smuggling it into work wasn’t exactly hard, especially with a paper bag making machine at work. Building a sniper’s nest was a bit of work but hardly difficult with most people watching for the motorcade or outside the building.
No one [ outside the USA at least ] still believes the hogwash contained in The Warren Report.
Oswald did bring a rifle into work, whether he had a crack at shooting up the motorcade is up for conjecture, what’s obvious is he didn’t fire the gun that sent a bullet into Kennedy’s head.
Archduke Ferdinand and The King Of Yugoslavia were killed by determined assassins chasing cars, so it does have a track history of success.
I see that ‘argument by unsupported assertion’ is par for the course.
On the contrary, that is not ‘obvious’.
Not really. Several attempts by multiple assassin were made on the route that all failed, and Princip got lucky in that the car stalled trying to reverse. I doubt Oswald could depend on that.
It’s “obvious” that the Zapruder Film indicates a head shot from the front right of the Lincoln.
After nearly 50 years of study, research and extrapolation of all data, that’s surely not in dispute ?
Or are there still members of the Magic Bullet Glee Club still out there in La La Land ? 
Under 100 yards is not ‘long range’ for a rifle.
No chance of error or missed shot? Sirhan Sirhan only connected with 3 of 8 shots. Hinckley missed Reagan all 6 times from a distance of 15 feet, the one bullet that hit him was a richochet.
It’s “obvious” the sun moves around the Earth, until you examine the situation more carefully.
I presume that you are aware that the “magic bullet” relies on a seating arrangement in the limousine that is different than what actually existed. Kennedy and the Texas governor are not sitting perfectly lined up, nor at equal heights. These are basic facts of the case; if you don’t know this, no wonder you are confused!
Then can you tell me what kind of bullet causes material to eject towards the rifle that fired it? Because I would like to know.
Its not only in dispute, it is pretty much proven otherwise.
The ‘magic bullet’ make perfect physical sense when you look at the situation is it stood and not through the filters of a conspiracy theorist trying to sell you more books. The conspiracy nutters make some serious errors in judgement, position, etc.
He seems to think that the head shot and the “magic bullet” shot were the same event.
Well, Kennedy had a big brain and he was under a lot of pressure. Scratch him anywhere on the head and it’s instant brain-firehose.
Anyway, saw a TV show recreating the so-called “magic” shot a few days ago. They set up two gel torsos complete with simulated bones in the positions Kennedy and Connally were in, put a sharpshooter on a crane sixty feet up and got a bullet track pretty darn close to the actual result, through “Kennedy’s” back, out his throat, into “Connally’s” back, off Connally’s wrist and it bounced where Connally’s thigh would have been. They figured this minor final contact (as opposed to piercing Connally’s thigh) was because their bullet was slowed by hitting two of “Connally’s” ribs, while Oswald’s shot had hit only one.
The high-speed camera caught it all. Truth be told, I can’t figure out how two bullets could do what this one did. I’d have to see someone produce a plausible alternate sequence, but I don’t know that anyone ever has.