So, you’ve been on the receiving end of stalkers and paparazzi?
Look, I’ll stipulate that photographing people on the beach is legal, just as singing sexually explicit songs on the beach is legal. I don’t think the question is over whether it’s legal; I think the question is over whether it’s the behavior of a decent person. Way I figure it, unless you’re taking a massive crowd shot or unless you’re taking a picture in which someone will be blurry and in the background, good manners means asking the subject of a photograph for permission, and honoring their decision.
That said, this kid was taking a massive crowd shot. And even if he weren’t, even if he were being creepy and awful in a legally protected manner, his assailant’s reaction was absurdly out of line.
No.
Specific situations you have yet to list. If your point is that having a camera shoved up your ass by a total stranger is undesirable to most people, well thank you for that bold declarative observation.
If your point was that this situation crossed that line: no it didn’t; you’re wrong.
And that’s why I’m not saying that, nor have I said it at any point. On the contrary, I’ve said a couple of times that the woman was nuts.
But if you are saying that there is not such a line in public spaces, that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place, then I disagree.
Nobody is saying that.
In your first post, which I’ve quoted before, you drew the line at any recording:
I don’t know why you keep trying to deny that you wrote them or that they mean something other than what they plainly mean, except that you’v maybe realized that they are indefensible and unsupportable by any legal, social or cultural norm or history.
Then you go on to say:
Indeed, you don’t want any form of recording, as you also said:
No, you wouldn’t be fine with it; we get that. The thing is, everyone else is fine with it. And thus far, you have not shown any harm or any reason at all for someone to not have that camera on the beach.
In beaches. In a specific situation and place.
Funny thing is that I would. Wouldn’t even look him twice.
I’m fine with the kid with the camera.
Do I get why somebody else wouldn’t? How others could suspect that he may be pervert in search of cheap thrills? Find him bothersome? Sure. I have no problem imagining that.
Plenty have in this thread. Just a few posts before 2gigch1 claims that he can’t imagine anybody being upset at being recorded in public.
He wrote ‘Photography is always fair game except:’ and ‘In fact may of the situations that those who cry worst case scenario are already illegal!’. Exceptions do not meet the criterion ‘that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place’. You’re the one who brought up crotch shots. Everyone agrees there is a line. But there’s a difference between someone taking crotch shots, and someone taking wide-angle footage from 50 feet away. The kid in this story crossed no line, and no reasonable person would think he did.
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He’s saying that everything that’s legal is acceptable, however. I’m claiming that there is a line that crosses acceptable behaviour even when it’s legal. That’s what I’ve been claiming from post 1, and what you and others have argued against.
For you the line are crotch shots. For the woman it was a quadcopter camera. Sure, she was acting crazy, but I do get why some would find quadcopters with cameras in crowded beaches upsetting.
If that’s your claim, then so what? Any line that isn’t the same as the legal line is your problem. And as long as you don’t assault anyone, why should I give a fuck what your line is? (Answer: I shouldn’t & don’t.)
Depends on whether you’re a baseline decent human being who’s willing to take other people’s preferences into account when you’re in public. If you are, then yeah, you should give a fuck what other people’s lines are when deciding what sort of legal behavior to engage in.
Absolutely. You can do anything legal, no matter how douchey, and I will defend your right to do so. You want to point and laugh at people? Perfectly legal. Use your phone at the movies? Hey, if there’s no sign forbidding it, you are in the right… Proclaim your love for the music of Nickelback? Good for you, I guess.
I’m still not debating the legality of the issue, that’s not my point.
Speak for yourself. I frequent deserted beaches, and when other people show up it gets in my space.
That’s true. I take that back, the proximity of other people does violate your space.
I beat her up!
I beat the young person up!
I beat all of them up!
Lack of any reasonable grounds to suspect criminality is no excuse for not beating someone up.
I’m curious about the post processing on that photo. That skater in the middle with one leg up doesn’t seem to match his shadow (look at the arm on the left side of the photo).
It is stunning nevertheless.
I do take other people’s preferences into account: I don’t break the law. Why should I give any other consideration you ask for any weight at all? Why should I inconvenience myself for you and restrict my picture taking in wherever I please? (Answer: I shouldn’t & don’t.)
Sure it’s your right to do lots of things. It’s also my right to point and laugh when you get your ass kicked by someone who finds your actions disagreeable. You may win the legal proceedings, but that won’t un-kick your ass. Nor will it erase the ass kicking from history. Something being a fellow’s right typically comes into play after somebody else gets pissed off. Alas, pissed off people sometimes don’t give a rip what the law says.