kids programming unpleasant for kids

Re: Roald Dahl

Dahl’s books and short stories for adults are delightfully nasty and most people don’t realize that in addition to “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” and the like, he also wrote, for instance, “Lamb to the Slaughter,” which made one of the best (and nastiest) episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents (about the woman who kills her husband with the frozen leg of lamb). Dahl was nasty to the core – and adult his stories (especially those like “Bitch” and “The Great Switcheroo”) reflect this. You can see it in the various movies made from his work (“Willie Wonka,” “James and the Giant Peach,” “Matilda,” and “The Witches”). Most adults (and a lot of kids) are shown in a very bad light.

I hated Misterogers when I was a kid, but once I had kids, I grew to admire what he was doing. It’s a nice, gentle show for young kids; once you’re about 8, you’re too old for it.

And also an admitted antisemite.

The movie version of “James and The Giant Peach” bothers me NOW. I can’t imagine watching it as a young child, though my lil sister seems to be cool with it.

I loved Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory when I was a kid, still do, in fact. (I heard a while ago that it’s being remade with Will Smith playing Willy Wonka. I sincerely hope it was an unsubstantiated rumor.) For me, part of the appeal WAS the creepiness…but then, I was the weird third grader who sat on the swings on the playground reading Stephen King novels during recess. My teacher thought I was nuts.

Sesame Street> I vaguely remember a skit or something which involved a TV screen showing just static and a glowing, blinking letter H with this deep voice chanting, “H, H, H, H,” which severely freaked me out. It still gives me the willies when I think about it.

[minor aside] And didn’t the wicked step-mother end up being fitted with red-hot iron shoes? I see to recall the last part of the original story dealing with this, and ending with, “and it was no more than she deserved”. :slight_smile:

Children seem to find being frightened fascinating – consider the tradition of telling ghost stories around a camp fire and (IMHO at least) have more ability to distinguish fact from fiction than some adults credit them with.

surel stated: “I think I had fewer problems with horror that was put into a moral context”, and that was the original purpose of fairy tales – they were morality tales, and not necessarily for children. They describe actions and consequences… folk parables if you like. We have subsequently bowdlerized and sanitized fairy tales, removing the consequences. Cinderella’s stepmother and stepsisters no longer get their comeuppences (beyond not getting the Prince).

As for the TV, I’m no expert on US kid’s shows, but we seemed to have had an inordinate number of terrifying british ones served up to us as kids. Doctor Who might have had poor SFX (and a wardrobe budget that consisted mostly of purchasing tin-foil) but most of my friends and acquaintaces of about my age (early 30’s) remember watching the show from half-behind the sofa. Some were particulary afraid of the Daleks, others the Cybermen… for me it was the Autons – weird plastic robot aliens with guns concealed in their arms.

Sapphire and Steel is another good example of british children’s TV apparently designed to scare the living daylights out of the viewers – the story about the man with no face who was in every photo ever taken still gives me shivers:

As I was walking up the stairs,
I met a man who wasn’t there,
He wasn’t there again today,
Oh, how I wish he’d go away.

That all said, there was one that still sticks in my mind some 25 years later. I don’t know the name of it, and like Ben said, it “sounds idiotic when I describe it”. It concerned a girl who was sick and bed-ridden and a magic pencil (I think). When she slept she had a recurring dream and in it where the things she had drawn – there was a house on a hill and a ring of standing stones about the house. She wasn’t sick in the dream, but there was a boy who was, and – this is the scary bit – the stones shuffled closer to the house every night… but only when no-one was watching them. :eek: (If anyone happens to know the name of this show I would be most interested to learn it).

Much as these shows frightened me at the time, I remember them fondly as part of childhood and would not trade them for any quantity of Poke-things and purple dinosaurs.

About kid’s TV shows, if anyone remembers “You Can’t Do That On TV” and the phrase “I don’t Know”. Ever since I watched it (I’m guessing I was 5 or so) I would never say the phrase “I Don’t Know”. I’m unsure why, I’m guessing I tried not to use that phrase when I was young, and then it got out of my system. To this day out of habit, I still say unsure or shrug.

Freaky huh?

It’s amazing what we can call entertainment. Violence is really not that big of a deal. When I was younger, I used to play with toy guns with my friends, ‘shooting’ them repeatedly with nothing more than my mind and my voice. We got into grand debates over how many bullets each of our ‘weapons’ could hold and whether they were automatic. Anyway, we all knew the difference between fantasy and reality. We grew up in a very gun-oriented region (American Midwest, deer country) where everybody saw what even a .22 could do to a coke can. After you see a deer being brought down, this big, strong animal that could outmuscle you in every way, by one little round from your rifle you know what would happen to a human. Getting back on topic, I was never disturbed by anything I saw on TV for entertainment purposes. I saw things like Terminator and shows of that ilk often, and I knew it was all fiction. I honestly can’t imagine being seriously affected by a show.

The Velveteen Rabbit scared me to death…The thought of sentiant toys being burned to death because their owner got a very wierd and scary infectious disease deeply disturbed me. Nevermind that things turned out allright (if memory serves me) It all ended with the fire, for me. As a matter of fact, any of the old stories featureing children with infectious diseases scared me. I didnt understand that TB wasn’t really a threat to me.
It’s all in the interpretation. Even the most innocent thing can seem sinister in the eyes of a child. Except for Willie Wonka. He was undisputably sinister.

Excluding the stuff about the stones shuffling closer to the house, this sounds exactly like a mid-'80s(?) movie called Paper House(s?). A girl passes out in school after doodling a house with typical kid-like bad perspective. After passing out, she finds herself in a live action version of her drawing. Following that, she awakens in a hospital, and she demands the pad and adds a picture of a kid looking out an upper window. Only the upper torso of the kid is visible through the window. When she passes out again she explores the house and finds that the kid is in a wheelchair (presumably because she didn’t draw legs on the picture) and so on. The film is very atmospheric and creepy.

Any chance this is what you’re remembering?

Fenris

Oh, the Velveteen Rabbit! I remember most how the toys were left all alone when the kid wasn’t around to play with them…kinda like in Toy Story.

Also, the Steadfast Tin Soldier! Look at all the things that happened to that little guy! Definitely not a happy story for children.

Oh my, you have just given me a flashback. I’m going to have to sleep with the light on tonight!

I also was traumatized by Willy Wonka. The scene where Charlie and Grandpa almost get killed in the soda room was my least favorite part, but all of it was freaky. This led to a showdown with a babysitter who suggested watching the movie on TV - I completely freaked out. She was probably mystified, thinking it was a harmless kiddie movie!

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Willy Wonka is creepy, but somehow it never bothered me much as a kid. That said, I wouldn’t want any younger kids I might someday have to watch the film. The scene where they’re on the boat in the chocolate river and Wilder starts singing:
“There’s no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going (echo:going)
or which way the river’s flowing
<snip>
Is the Grisly Reaper mowing?
Are the fires of Hell a’glowing?
etc…”

 is just too damn weird for the very young, especially if you look at the images on flashed on the wall of the tunnel: A headless chicken, a pile of maggots and so on.

Now I wanna watch it again.

Fenris

Willy Wonka never bothered me. It was always obvious that he was a really weird dude, but I never really noticed how much of a mean-spirited control freak he was until just now, when you guys brought it up. Incidentally, the fan scene (where Charlie and Grampa almost get killed) is not in the book. They seem to have made it up for the movie. Also, in the book, Mike TV gets to see the Great Glass Elevator before he’s shrunk by the camera gizmo. Most kids realize that the stuff on TV is just fantasy, and not reality. Noone I know ever tried to imitate anything we saw on a cartoon, for example.

Maybe you guys can help me remember the name of a a story I heard in kindergarden or first grade. I only vaguely remember it; this kid used a magic flying bicycle to travel to some kind of fantasy world that was ruled by this really creepy evil being. Eventually, the kid uses a magic slingshot and marble to kill the being and free the land from its rule. At the very end, the kid finds a small hole in the frame of the bike, sticks a wire into it, and then flys off to a new adventure somewhere. Does this sound at all familiar to anyone?