I have Tarantino’s original script here. uneditted, but thank god he got some help.
You know, originally, while Elle did spring the Mamba, she didn’t get plucked-- Bea just had a swordfight with her.
Anyway, here’s hoping I have the restraint to wait for the DVD boxed set. 
Thanks to all the posts on this thread-- the ending seemed weaker initially, but it’s coming together in my mind now. 
Haven’t seen it mentioned here, but did you enjoy the credit cookie? Nobody but me saw it at the theater were I saw Kill Bill 2. They all made a crazed dash for the exits the minute the credits started, but that’s typical.
Which reminds me that I was the only one who saw the REAL ending to the new version of Dawn of Dead. Everybody else was out the door before that as well.
I know some people have bathroom and smoking needs, but I wonder if they know they’re missing some interesting stuff when they leave before the film is over? Like the extra scene at the end of Pirates of the Carribean, as another example.
Just doing my bit against ignorance.
I only realized recently that Bill was the only person the Bride killed in all of Part II. Now that’s cool.
Unless, of course, I’m wrong.
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I loved the first one, and thought Volume 2 was five times better. It’s easy to see why he made it two movies, or at least how he made it easy to see why it could work as two movies.
Did anyone stay until the very end credits to watch a tape’s-still-rolling bit of Uma pulling the eye out of a stuntman, with people in the background saying, “Ew,” and Uma giddily saying, “Let’s do that again!”?
I haven’t seen Volume 2 a second time, yet. I liked it a lot but, after only one viewing, I’m not sure I like it more than the first. Of course, repeated viewings may clear things up. And I’ll definitely be buying the DVD set when that comes out, just to watch it as one film.
That said, after talking to my sister today, I’m even more impressed with Volume 2. It’s not the type of movie my sister would normally go see. I can only imagine that her boyfriend wanted to see it. She’s not the most open-minded when it comes to different genres of film. But…
She actually said she liked it! :eek: Wow! Congratulations, Quentin! You should get an award just for that.
And on the subject of extra bits during and/or after the credits of a movie (I call them codas), are there any websites out there that report which films feature these bits (and/or spoil what they are) before or soon after the films come out? I think this would be a great service.
Personally, I’d usually stay for the whole credits if I could, but between family members who’d rather leave, and all the other people getting up and disturbing me, I’ve missed a few. I missed the monkey bit at the end of Pirates of the Caribbean, and the Uma/stuntman bit at the end of Volume 2. I did see all the extra Dawn of the Dead stuff, but things played throughout the credits to lead me along.
Anyhoo…
Did anyone see (or remember) the entire title of the book the pimp/father figure was reading? All I saw was ‘…Kurrajong’, that and a somewhat dated illustration of a Kangaroo. The only reason this sticks in my mind is that Kurrajong is the home of Sanitarium Health Foods (makers of Weet-Bix, which any Aussie kid will know) and the town of Kurrajong is about 40minutes as the crow flies from my family farm, back in Oz!
Quite a cool little something in the middle of an AMAZING film!
Oh, I’m also interested in the audience reaction during the Pai Mei training film (the name is cantonese, the mandarin would be Bei Mao). I watched in Singapore, where the audience has grown up on a steady diet of such films, and the reaction seemed to be of jovial recognition, ‘oh wow, I haven’t seen something like this in YEARS!’. The thing that struck me was how well Tarantino rendered that Shaw Brothers/Cathay film style of the 60’s and 70’s. I’ve heard a lot of audiences laughed at the hokey camera moves, but I have to admit I was somewhat in awe of the apparent ease with which the film echoed this style without being slapstick parody.
Oh, and for those who think Pai Mei’s antics were hilarious, I’ve had bosses who behaved with that arrogant self-aggrandising cruelty. Mind you, none of them were a thousand years old, and none suggested the computer be afraid of me, not the other way around! (and how cool was it that Pai Mei refused to speak english, even though he obviously understood it).
I was also struck by The Bride’s obvious distress on hearing of Pai Mei’s death. Implying that despite his cruelty, she and he had met somewhere in the middle. This was later confirmed when Beatrice used the 5point hand blah blah blah on Bill. She was definitely Pai Mei’s favourite! (whatchall think?).
Oh, and the poster who complained that the whole ‘Trix are for kids’ line was too much, ‘we all got the reference’, I have to respond, that no, we didn’t all get the reference.
This seems to have been an in-joke for 'merkans, I didn’t get the joke until I read stuff on these very boards the day after seeing Volume1. I’m certain there were a lot of other folks who had no idea what the joke was all about (actually, I’m still in the dark, can someone explain the relevance of the whole, ‘you really didn’t think it would be that easy’ line. Is that part of the ad too?).
As a 'merikin, I have said this to friends, and had friends say it to me. What that scene said to me is that these two ladies really liked each other at one time. The Trix reference might have been showing us that they had they’re own in joke about Trix being for kids. It makes the fight sequence mean more, IMHO.
So the joke wasn’t an obvious one? it was an implied in-joke? I thought, or as given to understand, it was a reference to the Trix brekky cereal. Is that correct?
It would make more sense as a non-comprehensible in-joke, given that Quentin seems to be cogniscent of an international audience, particularly for KillBill. It does also add a nice layer of emotion to the relationship the two women have.
So, you’ve said the, ‘did you really think you could get away with it’ ‘yes, I really did!’ thing? I’m presuming that’s simply a reference to a lot of the cold war cliches used in spy movies. Or am I missing the point still? (forgive me and my dullard ways, I’ve not slept).
The only thing I didn’t recall of the title was that name. The rest of it I do recall; it’s “The Carracans of Kurrajong”, by Jasmine Yuen. Not coincidentally, the film’s production designer is Jasmine Yuen-Carracan.
I thought the line was “Tricks are for cats”?
It’s “Trix are for kids,” Death. And yes, gene, it’s a reference to the breakfast cereal. Even though it’s a very popular catchphrase, it can still be an in-joke between two people with its own meaning. In the commercials a rabbit is perpetually trying to get at the cereal by fooling the children, who always catch him and give him that adminition. (Explaining things in big words is fun!)
Trix is 50 years old, and I doubt you’ll find many Americans under that age who don’t recognize the phrase immediately.
There’s a breakfast cereal in America called Trix. In the commercials, a rabbit was always devising ways to steal the cereal.
His plots would always be foiled and at the end, some kids would say, “Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids.” It’s a pretty well-known slogan here.
We (Americans, if I can speak for the whole country) have been known to say it from time to time if a buddy tries something that doesn’t work out. But, as the other poster hinted at, we all know it well to enough to just say, “Silly Rabbit…” and let the rest hang.
Oh, I think so for sure! After all, he didn’t even teach Bill that five-point move, did he? No, he clearly liked her above the others. It was fun to see her come in for her training as a giggly, gangly California blonde, a la Cameron Diaz.
I think Pai Mei was also aware (like Hattori Hanzo in Vol. 1) that Beatrix was a different sort of person and that Bill and Elle were not the type you want to know a trick like that.
That’s not part of the “Silly Rabbit…” joke. I don’t think it’s a reference of any kind, I just thought it was a little bit of a humorous exchange. Maybe I’m the one missing out on something, but I thought the line was funny all by itself.
The Trix are for Kids line is also one of the many hints at The Bride’s name during the first film. People call her Kiddo. You can see her name momentarily, I believe, on the flight tickets.
And Trix are for Kids?
Beatrix Kiddo.
Thanks all for the Trix education. It dfoes make more sense now. and yeah, I knew it was a cursory note to Beatrice’s name (it was Beatrice, not Beatrix, wasn’t it?), but I only learnt that after volume one when someone here pointed out a screen cap from the Air-O ticket.
Marley23 I think that also hints that while The Bride was a cold blooded killer, she can be redeemed. Because Pai Mei sensed this, he was willing to give her one last line of defense, the 5 points. He knew that Beatrice would only use it if push came to shove, where as Elle would have used it all the time (and risked leaking the secret) and Bill couldn’t be trusted to keep it a secret, despite his imagined views on honour and all that jazz…
Ok, something has been bothering me about the way the Bride was shot. If she is on the floor, and Bill aims a gun at her head, wouldn’t there be an entry wound at the front and why would the bullet pass out of the side of her head? Or did one of the others shoot her from the side? I thought they filmed it with a bullet coming out of Bill’s pistol.
And of course, Vivica Fox went and told everyone that the Bride was called Beatrix.
The Trix joke was less of a hint and more something you could see where it came from afterwards; Elle calls the Bride “Bee”. Bill calling her “kiddo” is the same - you read it at first as a term of affection, only to find ultimately that it was a very impersonal way of referring to her.
Controvert: gunshots to the head are funny things. There’s a true case where a guy got shot in the forehead, and the bullet caromed off his skull, orbited his head under the skin and eventually killed him by severing his carotid. What happened to the Bride is far less exotic than that.
Dammit. So therewere extra bits after the credits? I really really tried to sit all the way through them, just in case. But about halfway through the credits, my bladder was in so much pain that I couldn’t sit there any longer. Had to get up (I refused to get up to visit the restroom during the movie - I didn’t want to miss anything).
Gotta lay off those giant-size Mountain Dews from the snack bar.
Really? I’m having flashbacks of the JFK magic bullet explanation. So Bill, a professional, completely misses her face and forehead at point blank range, then the bullet teleports just inside the Bride’s skull and makes a 90 degree turn to exit the left side of her head? All without killing her? Now, I suppose Bill could’ve subconsciously missed wide right and the bullet grazed her skull, but the metal plate suggests a hole in the skull itself.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…That’s really cool, hadn’t noticed that before.
Beatrix Potter also wrote PeterRabbit. See! See! I come up with things too!
Hangs head in shame. Wishes her thing were as cool as Gadfly’s thing.