Kitchen cabinet refinishing: How do I make my cabinets not suck?

You know how when you go to the cottage, and there’s these old cabinets that look like they’ve been painted with spare paint left over from the kid’s treehouse? Well I’d like to avoid doing something like this in my home.

Here’s my situation: In my kitchen, I will be removing the old flower-pattern wallpaper from 1974, and painting the walls, and replacing the flooring. Next move is kitchen cabinets. I have these perfectly good kitchen cabinets - with the exception of some minor damage to the finish. I’d like to avoid spending 10k on new cabinets, or 5k refacing them, by simply painting them, if necessary, replacing the cabinet doors and drawer panels in the process (max $1k).

Now, we’ve all seen crappy cabinet painting jobs that just look like someone grabbed a random can of paint and started painting over a wood finish. I’d like to hear your advice on how to make my cabinets not suck without spending a horrendous amount of time and/or money.

I would like to post pictures of these cabinets, but I haven’t figured that out yet on this board. I will have to figure that out later and post them then. However, I will mention that these cabinet doors have a bit of a “panelled” look to them. Not sure if I can simply paint these doors.

Also, I’ve taken a look at some instructions posted by someone here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=372776&highlight=paint+cabinets

Looks like a little bit more work than I was anticipating. Sanding I expected, and painting I expected. But sanding, priming, sanding again, then 4 coats of paint? Is this necessary? If so, I’d almost for sure go the route of buying new doors. Which brings me to another point - I’ve done a little research and noticed I can buy new doors for like… $15-30 each. Are these doors suspect, or is this a typical price for cabinet doors? If I can get cabinet doors this cheap, I would probably just get doors that are as simple as possible (no varnish), and just paint them appropriately so they don’t look like crap, and then just sand and paint the surface of the non-doored area.

Thoughts?

I used a brush-on primer and a single coat of paint on mine, and they look fine.

The really important step is to sand the surface the first time. I did that, then did one coat of primer and two coats of paint. It was a great improvement over the original. Doesn’t look like a fine enamel finish, but looks good enough for me.

It didn’t take a terribly long time.

GT

My partner totally stripped ours with chemical stripper, sanded, primed and painted them with (at least) 2 coats of oil-based enamel. I think she may have even sanded between coats. It was a royal pain in the ass, but it looks like we have new cabinets. They’re glossy white like glass. We also changed out the knobs which made more of a difference than you’d think. Then we sprung for new countertops and a stainless stove (both from discount places) and voila: brand new kitchen (looks like) for under a thousand bucks. We love it. I still don’t think she’d do the cabinets again, though. She spent at least a month and a half in the garage.

No, you can’t have her, she’s worth her weight in gold :wink: .

The above posts are correct, and let me summarize (I sell paint for a living!):

First, my mantra: Clean, sand, prime, paint. Rest. Recoat.

Surface prep: Clean it up: Get some TSP (trisodium phosphate) and clean it all up. Wipe down your surface, free it of all dirt and dust and etc. Sand. You’ll need to etch up that surface. If there seems to be several layers of old paint on your current surface, you could try a stripping product (Jasco makes a good stripper for quickness - but it’s harsh and it stinks, then there’s a product called Ready-Strip which is greener but takes up to 24 hours to be ready to peel off). Another option is a deglosser (such as Jasco Paint Etch, or that liquid TSP, which is also a deglosser). The important thing for you to do is to etch up that old surface. Cabinets tend to be painted in satin/semigloss or higher, and that makes the surface “slippery” - new paint will simply peel away like rubber paper in a couple of weeks. Etching and priming gives your new paint something to adhere to.

Priming: Before you prime, it would be a good idea to find out if your old paint was oil based or acrylic. If you take a bit of denatured alcohol, put it on a clean (but old) cloth and rub it on the old paint - if some of the paint comes off, you’ve got an oil base. If nothing comes off, it’s water-base. What’s important here is that if you’re dealing with an oil base, you’ll want to seal it with an oil base primer. They stink, but thankfully, you can get some pretty good fast-drying oil based primers. (You can paint water base topcoat over oil base primer.) Seal Grip makes a great alkyd (oil) primer, as does Zinsser (Cover Stain is good, B-I-N primer is good for heavier damage surfaces, but I think it is shellac-base).

Topcoat: Some people swear by oil for wood and would use nothing else, but I myself recommend water-base paint. Oil tends to yellow over time, has no flexibility (wood naturally expands and contracts; the oil paint tends to chip off in splinters), it stinks (high VOCs!), and takes forever to dry (24-48 hours). Acrylics have come a really long way - many companies have a decent “acrylic enamel” - a water based paint that dries hard, like an oil. Often these are available in satin, semigloss, or gloss. I’d recommend satin as the lowest - semigloss is a good in-between - for durability and cleanability. Flat is chalky - doesn’t clean well and gets dirty quickly. Eggshell is a touch above flat - easier to clean, but better for living-area walls than for cabinets. (Actually, check with your local paint store on which sheen is which - some reverse what I call eggshell and satin, making satin the lower sheen and eggshell the higher. Be sure to double check!) The higher the sheen, the easier it is to clean. Satin is nice if you like low sheen and they don’t get heavy traffic/damage, semigloss is a great standard, and gloss is if you like to see your face in it!

Application: For oils, get a black china bristle brush.
For acrylics: Normally for trims, I’d recommend a stiffer brush. Acrylics are thick, and I’d point you in the direction of a poly-nylon blend. For a smoother finish, look for Chinex brushes. They are softer.
For shellacs: Get a white china bristle.
Purdy makes excellent brushes and won’t leave brush strokes in your paint. Angled brushes are great all-purpose brushes, for getting into those hard-to-reach areas and corners and junk; flat brushes are good for cutting in, for wide, flat surfaces and trim. 2-3 inch brushes are decent.
If you’d like to roll, don’t get too confused by the naps - it really depends mostly on your surface condition. Unless the old cabinets are really weird, they’re probably not very textured, and a decent 3/8" nap will do you fine.
Ask the salesperson about the type of paint you get - if it is an acrylic enamel, ask them about foam rollers for application. The paint manufacturer will be able to give you the best advice for that product.

Coats: depends on what colour paint you choose. For deeper, richer colours, you’ll need more coats of paint. Ask about having your primer tinted grey according to the LRV of the colour you chose (LRV=light reflectance value). It will help immensely. If, however, you have a white or relatively light, pastel-ish colour, white primer should be fine. I always recommend two coats (of topcoat), for uniformity and best coverage. Allow sufficient drying time between coats; read the instructions on your can of paint for how long is recommended for the product you choose. A gallon of paint generally covers about 350-400 sq. feet - one coat - and a quart covers about 60-75 sq. feet - one coat. Measure your cabinets before you buy so you know how much paint you will need.

Hints: “Condition” your paint tools before using them with acrylic paint. This is a fancy term for “get them wet”. :wink: Run your brush (or roller) under the tap for a moment, then give it a good shake off. You don’t want it soaking wet when you dip it into the paint, but a damp brush is good; you’ll avoid that “BLOOP” of the first brush stroke (the brush/roller hasn’t absorbed as much paint), making your strokes more uniform. This also makes it easier to clean your brushes/rollers when you are finished, ensuring your pricey equipment will last you much longer. These things are dirt cheap and help you clean up nicely. Oil paint will require a different cleanup method - you will need to look into getting mineral spirits to clean that stuff up (oils are so messy and inconvenient! blech! Use acrylics if you can!).

If you find the paint too thick to work with, ask the salesperson about Floetrol or Penetrol - you can thin the paint out to make it easier to work with.

Ask questions! Ask any friends you know, talk to any contracters you know. They often have invaluable advice. Good luck! It always sounds like a huge project, but doing it right the first time will save you so much time and money in the long run - and it will look beautiful when you are done.

Be sure to get everything you need for your project: brushes, blue tape for taping off edges (or decent equivalent, but be wary, don’t just grab the cheapest looking tape - the green stuff? Laquer tape - too STICKY! Masking tape? Ugh. Blue tape is often good, and ask the salesperson if they have a more economical tape for smaller projects - like 8 day tape or similar. It’s like blue tape, just don’t leave it up for longer than a week). Blue tape, be ready to spend a pretty penny per roll. Frog tape is new, it looks promising, but I haven’t used it yet.

Is that enough information? Think you can handle this? It’s really not as hard as it sounds. :slight_smile:

Just woke up… something I’d meant to add last night but forgot - I often see people come into my workplace and I send them off with all the equipment they need to refinish their cabinets. Depending on how big your cabinets are/how many doors you’ve got, I’ve seen most people do a small/medium kitchen project in ~$150, less for studio-sized cabinets, and up to $200 for a big kitchen. All paint prices vary between merchants, so do your research. If you can, ask to speak to a sales rep - those guys do outside work and try to bring in new clients, so their good name is on the line - they will always lead you in the right direction; their livelihood depends on it! They are a wealth of information about the products you choose to go with.

Good luck!

Oh, and if you need some help with the wallpaper, let me know. There are several options available - not much about removing wallpaper is easy.

Wow, that was a lot of info. I will copy/paste this all to a notepad file and refer to it come springtime (which is when I will probably get to this step). On the bright side, that means I can do the work outside.

A couple things… would you recommend using a power sander to save some time? My cabinets are a wood finish and I think they were varnished. Also, there’s a “panelled” look to them… so they’ve got little groove lines down the middle of some of the doors. It’s not real panelling, it’s just meant to look panelled. Would painting them a flat color vs re-staining them actually look right?

Also, I’ve realized that perhaps the minor damage to my cupboards can simply be fixed, instead of just ripping down all the cupboards and painting them, perhaps all I need to do is sand and re-varnish the damaged areas?

As far as removing wallpaper goes - I think I know way more about removing wallpaper now than I ever wanted to. This house is a nightmare of really UGLY wallpaper that is incredibly stubborn to remove! I’ve tried using a combination of water, vinegar, and fabric softener, steamers, those little perforating thingies, and every wallpaper scraping tool you can imagine. The best thing I’ve found so far is to simply soak the wallpaper with hot water in a spray bottle, and start scraping with a simple 3-4" putty knife. More recently I started using an old steamer my gf’s dad let me borrow for the really stubborn areas, doesn’t seem to make much difference on the areas that aren’t quite as stubborn. This steamer beats the crap out of the other steamer I attempted to use several months ago.

So hey, is there a way I can insert images on this board? I don’t see the option anywhere. I’d like to post images of my current cupboards so you can see the “panelled” look I’m talking about. I don’t think I did a very good job of explaining it.

Nope – you have to post them to a third-party site, like Photobucket or Flickr, then post the link here.

Go to the free Photobucket site and get a username and password, then upload some pics. It would help us greatly in helping you.

Also, I need to see what kind of cabinets we are talking about here, it could be as simple as sanding and painting, then it could be you’d like an entirely new look for your kitchen. Have you thought of just changing the doors and not the cabinets?

We did that in our condo up in Vermont and it came out beautifully, and all we had to do is unscrew old shabby doors, and screw in newer cool doors. Nuf said. The doors we got were from a place called “Jack the Stripper” in Lyndonville Vermont, he only sells refurbished wood products, hense the stripper part of the name of his shop.

Done.

Close up shot, shows some damage - http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/mlitnewski/2007-12-26001o.jpg

A good look at the actual doors - http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/mlitnewski/2007-12-26002o.jpg

My crappy wallpaper from 1974 - http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/mlitnewski/2007-12-26003o.jpg

Yes, I have considered just replacing the doors, but of course, I would have to refinish the cupboards themselves if that is the case - However, easy enough, right? strip, sand and paint them? A little less work than having to do all the doors and drawers, right?

Ok having seen the photos, you actually have some nice wood to work with. What I would recommend is to sand away the flat panels, get all the stain or varnish off them…It looks like stain and repaint the flat parts of the panels.
Then I would paint a different color in the valley’s between the panels.

Sanding in those small areas will take you a very long time, that’s why I would simply paint them. Then as a nice finishing touch I would replace all the handles with something more modern, or something to fit your tastes. You actually have a good amount of wood to work with and I believe it will come out very nice with minimal sanding.

Are you sure you want to paint them? Maybe you should sand them and restain them. Putting in some new doors would be pretty nice as well.

Does your kitchen get a lot of natural light?

Are you sure refacing would cost that much? Companies like Portas IMHO won’t cost as much as that and they do it for you, in a day.

Besides, for 5000 USD you could get an entire new kitchen at IKEA.

Only from experience can I say that sanding inbetween those panels, the little valleys in there is not easy, and unless you want to chemically treat it…I’d sand the easiest parts and paint them. Unless you want to spend the time and sand your finger tips off - this has it’s merits as well, because the wood is very nice, and I’d venture to say it’s hardwood. So it will stainup very nicely.

My sister-in-law has wainscoting in her kitchen. When it was first painted, it was fire engine red, kinda glossy, and one couldn’t appreciate the texture of the wood. She then applied a coat of something which was designed to “antique” the surface. This collected more in the grooves than it did elsewhere, generally darkened the color, and made it less shiny. Altogether, it made it look more like she’d envisioned when she picked the color.

This is an option if you opt to paint and end up deciding that a flat color doesn’t look right.

I did minimal research and found a site that had a “cost calculator”. They were saying it would cost anywhere from $150-$300 per door. That being said, I was able to find brand new cabinet doors elsewhere for like… $15-30 (that’s 10% the cost of refacing them at this place I found online).

What if I were to find brand new unfinished doors for a decent price and then I just sand off all the varnish of the actual cupboards (not the doors/drawers), and re-stain? Does this sound as time/effort-saving and acceptably affordable to you as it does to me?

Worst case scenario, replacing cupboard doors/drawer faces @ $30/each (MAX) would be $600 + the cost of re-staining them, which would be minimal… maybe $150 after all is said and done. If I can do this for $750, that is an acceptable cost to me.

Oh, as far as sanding and staining the non-door surfaces goes, would you say it would be wise to use a power sander? Or would using a power sander not be advisable? The way I see this is that the sanding looks like it will take the most time, and I heart power tools and cutting time to do things I suck at in half. :stuck_out_tongue:

Replacing my cabinet doors is definately something I’m strongly considering. That way I can just sand/stain the non-door/drawer areas.

I get a moderate amount of natural light in the kitchen. One window facing east, and some light coming in from the living room through the doorway/cubby hole. Not a tonne of light, but not a terribly small amount either.

150-300 a door? That’s ridiculous. There must be a business out there whose prices can compete.