Somehow, from that description, I don’t think it was the genitals they were screaming at! :eek:
Nope. It was more the Saint Bernard through the cat door appearance of the whole thing that made people scream. 
Was that right after she had kicked him out of her car in a part of town he didn’t know with no way to get home? She was the unreasonable one, the middle finger doesn’t even come close to her bad behavior.
Yeah, there was a teen girl up front who screamed. :rolleyes: That and the kids in the front row texting throughout the film were a tad annoying. I just wondered how she could be that clean-shaven. /old fogey
It was interesting (and unrealistic) to me that the guys were unable to discuss abortion. I’m as pro-life as they come and I would assume most people would seriously consider abortion, and the guys would think it should be “taken care of”. I was surprised she even called him about it.
Yeah, when she complains about her boobs shaking all over and she has a bra on? And has a bra on during every sexual encounter??
You mean you want to be a BrassyPhrase sandwich on Rudd and Rogan bread. 
Anyhoo, nitpicks aside, I liked the movie a lot. I think they tried to include a few too many themes but overall it was a loveable film. The best moment for me was Harold Ramis: “I love you totally and completely. You’re the best thing that ever happened to me.” Why can’t my father tell me something like that?
Yeeeah. Except of course the mad mix of hormones going through her system.
That’s why he specifically told the hormones to fuck off, not Alison.
Mmm. Yeah. I’m not sure, if I were pregnant in the room with him yelling at ‘my hormones,’ that I would appreciate the difference. I do think Apatow did a great job creating a sense of good/bad balance in all the characters (though not the abortion issue), but this scene just made me uncomfortable. I just hate yelling, I guess.
I think he was totally justified in yelling - hormones or no hormones, she kicked him out of her car in a place of town he didn’t know, knowing he had no money or cell phone (for cab fare or to call a friend). It is my opinion, that he was extremely gracious to put the blame on the hormones and not her. I understand that it was a plot point and good for drama, but in my real life, I don’t think I could forgive someone for kicking me out of the car over an argument. After being kicked out of the car, walking some length of time and having plenty of time to stew over it, he handled it much better than I would have.
Man, that article has more projection in it than the Cannes film festival. But it does provide the perfect justification for Apatow’s very quick and facile handling of abortion in the movie: every mention of abortion automatically gets parsed into its component atoms by people trying to pigeonhole the movie as pro-life or pro-choice. Unless he wanted the debate to completely overshadow the film, the best way to handle it is to dispose of it as quickly as possible.
Personally, I thought he handled it fairly even handed. Of course, Allison has to decide to keep the baby, because otherwise, no film. But each side of the debate only gets one proponent, and neither are particularly good at it. Allison’s mom comes across as callous, while the pro-life stoner guy is such a naive idealist that his friends can’t even use the word “abortion” around him. The idea that the movie favors one view over another I think springs more from the biases of the viewer, rather than any inherent in the film.
If I am recollecting properly, I believe Apatow mentioned in some interview that that particular plot point was taken from one of his own experiences while driving to the gynecologist with Leslie Mann ;).
- Tamerlane
Absolutely. My girlfriend and I laughed harder at that line than at anything else. And we laughed a lot at that movie. Highly recommended.
My favorite aspect of the movie is it avoids something that subconsciously annoys me about 95 percent of movies out there: trying to pretend as though there is absolutely nothing else happening that isn’t part of the central plot. Instead we get great subplots for Paul Rudd and Leslie Mann, and a completely extraneous, but totally hilarious, plotline about a guy who can’t shave or get a haircut. There’s no reason for it being there, but that makes the movie feel so much more genuine. Plus, I don’t know if anyone writes more realistic dialogue than Apatow. He knows exactly how people, especially guys, actually talk.
This pretty much sums up what I thought when I was reading that article. If you do a movie about an unplanned pregnancy set in the last 20-30 years, abortion pretty much has to be mentioned. It also, as you said, can’t happen. Otherwise, no movie. It’s too bad that some people have to try and extrapolate the director’s position based on what two fictional characters had to say about it.
As for the rest of the movie, I loved it. I don’t usually love movies, but I loved this one. The characters were all very real, and the movie made me care about them. I haven’t yet seen 40 Year Old Virgin, because I thought it looked like the kind of stupid comedy I wouldn’t be into. But since I now know what these guys can do, I’ll be renting it very soon.
ETA - Also, Harold Ramis was great in his small role. I still think of him as Egon from Ghostbusters, so it’s really funny to see him talking about getting high with his kid saying things like, “Not too often. Just every night and all weekend.” Great stuff.
Oh, good. It is so good-natured and the very end is a wonderful payoff.
I think I liked the scene where she leaves him the e-mail to call her and on her end of the phone is her worried self with sex the last thing on her mind and on the other end is all the simulated sex. Classic.
He wasn’t really telling the hormones to fuck off, he was telling her. She used the hormones as an excuse and he was mocking her. They were both being assholes, that’s what happens when you don’t know what to do, are freaking out, and want a scapegoat.
Yes, I know. I was about to explain what you just said here to Cat Fight. Maybe I should have used a " 
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Possibly, there were a few comments like that though, and I didn’t think they were all sarcasm. Your post was just the one that popped out to reply to.
Bumpy-dump.
Finally saw it today, and liked it a lot, though I will say Seth Rogan is best at playing himself.
And very true, whateveryone has said about there never really being “a good guy” and “a bad guy.” You can see yourself as almost anyone in that movie (and in Undeclared, which I actually prefer to F&G).
Hey, you F&G fans- did you notice the guy in the suit at the fantasy baseball meeting?
I saw this and I generally liked it, with one caveat. This is totally a guy movie.
Ben’s character is more fleshed out, and he is the one who grows and makes real choices. (Stops living in a dump/out a schoolboy fantasy, gets a real job/apartment/phone, has the “conversations in the hall,” reads the baby books.) His friends are real, their interactions are well done.
Allison has no life. She has no friends at all. (Those girls at the mall? They were NOT friends. And why did Ben humiliate her in front of them like that? Was that OK?) She lives in her sister’s pool house. She gets a promotion and goes out to a club with her sister. She doesn’t have girlfriends she can call to talk? She never has lunch dates? No, she only has work and her sister/sister’s family. She doesn’t grow/change, she just gets fat and has a baby. She’s just there to be the living McGuffin for the film. (Or the McGuffin carrier, if the baby is the McGuffin.) She’s that beautiful, and she can’t do any better than Ben? It doesn’t occur to her to look around for someone more functional? Less likely to publicly humiliate her for the fun of it?
But as I said, it was funny and cute, and well worth my $7. (Actually, the soundtrack is worth a lot more than that. It was great!)
I disagree. I think it speaks volumes about our society that the word abortion can’t even be said in the movie. They tiptoe around it like millions of people don’t get abortions every year. Plus the only person to actually advocate getting one is painting as some insensitive prick when she refers to her other daughter having a “real baby”. WTF? Who talks like that? I get that form a story telling point of view, she had to keep the kid, but let’s not pretend that abortion was actually presented in the movie as a viable or moral option to the character. Not that it has to be, but it’s very telling that Apatow pretends that it was.
I almost saw it last weekend. I heard it was really funny.